Message from @Deller

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2018-03-24 14:17:10 UTC  

It’s only based on the sexes in western culture

2018-03-24 14:17:42 UTC  

In eastern culture the only way you could really tell what sex an enlightened was, was by physically checking their genitalia

2018-03-24 14:18:12 UTC  

i think thats because non-western culture rejects gender as a concept 😛 If you're a man but think you're a woman in Middle east you get thrown off of a roof
In east-asia you have to end your life to bring honor
In Africa you get eaten

2018-03-24 14:19:03 UTC  

That’s because most of the peaceful cultures of old that had these beliefs have been genocided

2018-03-24 14:22:27 UTC  

but i still find myself in disagreement towards this

Gender is simply a generalisation of "In a large group of men, most will exhibit these traits" same with wamen

And this is still defined in any culture
In the middle east, Men are considered the stronger ones because in their nature they are supposed to be the strong alpha ones in general

In China you had the one child policy where the people prefered to have boys because they were more advantageous for a family to have because men in general can carry more weight

2018-03-24 14:23:01 UTC  

One of my favorite societies & cultures to ever exist was the Iroquois League that inhabited precolonial New York & Pennsylvania. Sadly they’re basically extinct today because, the right of Conquest is a thing

2018-03-24 14:23:55 UTC  

Despite what Hollywood movies like Avatar may show us, Gun > Stick

2018-03-24 14:24:35 UTC  

but if yuo break stick

2018-03-24 14:24:39 UTC  

then you have two stick

2018-03-24 14:24:43 UTC  

stick win every time

2018-03-24 14:26:31 UTC  

I mean, yes, in modern eastern culture the 3rd gender is basically dead

2018-03-24 14:27:02 UTC  

The 3rd gender basically died universally when abrahamic religion took over the world

2018-03-24 14:27:28 UTC  

Because abrahamic religions are patriarchal in nature

2018-03-24 14:28:22 UTC  

but im saying there can't be a 3rd gender because genders are derived from the traits found in the biological sexes

2018-03-24 14:28:34 UTC  

for a 3rd gender to exist you need a 3rd sex

2018-03-24 14:29:03 UTC  

I’m saying the 3rd is derived from the null

2018-03-24 14:29:53 UTC  

You can’t magically become null.

2018-03-24 14:30:04 UTC  

and how is that defined? cuz it sounds like the "agender" bull that tumblrists preach

2018-03-24 14:30:28 UTC  

Basically.

2018-03-24 14:30:30 UTC  

If the number of sexes is n the number of genders is n + 1. One for each sex, and one for the people who basically abandon all earthly ties

2018-03-24 14:31:00 UTC  

The difference is tumblr’s idea of agender is “I don’t like male or female so I pick neither”

2018-03-24 14:31:13 UTC  

not acting on your impulses is not creating a different gender

2018-03-24 14:31:37 UTC  

these "enlightened" people still had the same general traits associated with their sex, they just chose not to act on it

2018-03-24 14:31:46 UTC  

like celebate people in churches

2018-03-24 14:31:59 UTC  

Which is quite different from “I wonder the earth in search of enlightenment while abandoning the desires of the flesh”

2018-03-24 14:32:12 UTC  

It’s called asexual. It’s not a new gender.

2018-03-24 14:33:22 UTC  

And if you believe in a spiritual third gender then you have no argument against all the genders SJWs have made up.

2018-03-24 14:33:56 UTC  

There’s a difference between being asexual, and living without material possessions, any major bonds with other people, and surviving off the bare minimum

2018-03-24 14:34:12 UTC  

being a minimalist doesn't make you a 3rd gender though

2018-03-24 14:34:35 UTC  

its like those vulcans from star trek

2018-03-24 14:34:42 UTC  

they still had emotion, they just suppressed it

2018-03-24 14:35:15 UTC  

a celebate minimalist is still part of their original gender, they just suppress the impulses and urgest commonly associated with said sex/gender

2018-03-24 14:35:22 UTC  

Vulcans also lived among themselves in a society and fit into 2 distinct roles

2018-03-24 14:35:58 UTC  

And are also completely fictional

2018-03-24 14:36:07 UTC  

as are 3rd genders

2018-03-24 14:39:17 UTC  

Again, it would depend on how you defined gender. If you defined it based on societal roles and norms, the 3rd option has existed historically in ancient civilization. That’s what I base the difference on. There are no societal norms associated with any of the genders Tumblr’s created. They’re made up names. In many ancient civilizations people who chose the path of enlightenment had different societal expectations and traits attributed to them than Men & Women did

2018-03-24 14:39:49 UTC  

gender isn't based on social norms, its based on traits from biological sex

2018-03-24 14:40:00 UTC  

And okay

2018-03-24 14:40:09 UTC  

lets assume theres a gender from rejecting both urges

2018-03-24 14:40:18 UTC  

then there must also be one to embrace both

2018-03-24 14:40:21 UTC  

its polar opposite