Message from @Deller

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2018-03-24 14:41:29 UTC  

where you both provide and nurture the people 😛

2018-03-24 14:41:31 UTC  

Why do you think single parent households are universally worse than 2 parent ones

2018-03-24 14:41:48 UTC  

Because a single person can’t possibly fill both roles at once

2018-03-24 14:42:13 UTC  

they can actually, those households are usually worse because the parents DON'T fill both roles, and don't have the time to either

2018-03-24 14:42:16 UTC  

Work at home dads are a thing.

2018-03-24 14:42:28 UTC  

Can work and watch the kids.

2018-03-24 14:43:09 UTC  

raisign a child is a full time job, so either be a parent 100% and have no work/other stuff to do

or divide it taht one works and is a parent 50%, and the other cleans/etc and parents 50%

2018-03-24 14:43:32 UTC  

The nannystate would mean the person working has taken on the traditional male role, and the nanny has taken on the traditional female role.

2018-03-24 14:43:48 UTC  

yes and a nannystate fulfills both

2018-03-24 14:44:00 UTC  

its a strongarm taht provides, and nurtures

2018-03-24 14:44:27 UTC  

Yes but the single parent isn’t fulfilling both roles, someone else is filling the female role, they just happen to pay that person instead of marry them

2018-03-24 14:44:54 UTC  

its still the same influence

2018-03-24 14:45:03 UTC  

but if we go back, you said you base gender on social views

2018-03-24 14:45:22 UTC  

and that means you consider gender a social construct, like those people that think gender is a spectrum

2018-03-24 14:45:27 UTC  

Who’s raising & nurturing the child, the working parent or the nanny?

2018-03-24 14:45:50 UTC  

as i said, if a parent doesn't need to work and clean, they can literally be both

2018-03-24 14:46:21 UTC  

So someone else is taking over the traditional roles of the female

2018-03-24 14:46:27 UTC  

the issue is a lack of time

Hence parenting works best as a couple, one works to provide, and the other settles the home front, and you both divide the child-time

2018-03-24 14:46:47 UTC  

no, i said that a 100% parent can do both

2018-03-24 14:46:51 UTC  

cleaning isn't a traditional female role

2018-03-24 14:47:22 UTC  

It may not be anymore, but it sure as hell was 60 years ago

2018-03-24 14:47:29 UTC  

also wrong

2018-03-24 14:47:38 UTC  

its nurturing that is the female role

2018-03-24 14:47:49 UTC  

and yes, living in a clean household is better

2018-03-24 14:47:52 UTC  

hence we do it

2018-03-24 14:48:19 UTC  

and the reason it was the female job 60 years ago

2018-03-24 14:48:25 UTC  

is because the men would be working all day

2018-03-24 14:48:40 UTC  

so they'd either have to clean after

Or the woman does it whilst the man works for provisions

2018-03-24 14:49:08 UTC  

The traditional American female role as always been the homekeeper. This was everything from child raising, to household chores such as laundry, cooking, & cleaning

2018-03-24 14:49:32 UTC  

for the reasons i said above

2018-03-24 14:49:35 UTC  

Being a home keeper was a full time job before modern technology

2018-03-24 14:49:44 UTC  

waht if you're a millionaire, or a lord?

The lady of the house didn't clean either

2018-03-24 14:49:48 UTC  

Now work isn’t always manual labour that requires you to be outside the house so men can also have more time to clean or raise kids.

2018-03-24 14:49:56 UTC  

you'd have workers do it

2018-03-24 14:50:07 UTC  

that didn't magically make the workers fulfil the female roles in those households

2018-03-24 14:50:44 UTC  

a lords daughter didn't look at the maids and think "damn, thats my life soon"

2018-03-24 14:52:49 UTC  

No, her life was focused solely on child raising because her husband would likely be someone who could pay for servants to do the tasks she’d normally be expect to take care of. This way she could dedicate herself 100% to the kids which would, in theory, mean the kids turned out superior

2018-03-24 14:53:17 UTC  

exactly

that means that cleaning isn't the traditional female role as i've said

2018-03-24 14:53:59 UTC  

Except it would be expected of her should she not be able to afford to pay someone else to do it

2018-03-24 14:54:09 UTC  

the traditional female role is to entertain, to raise, to teach them to behave and be polite, manners

And the male role is to teach them to be a rock, to bear the brunt and to protect his own

2018-03-24 14:55:46 UTC  

that expectation is placed by society

A good household is clean and well adjusted
If the man works, then its only fair the woman works too, and since she needs to be at home around the kid, she has to work at home, and since there was no major internet businesses etc, most work to do at home was clean/weave clothes and cook