Message from @Dr.Wol
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raisign a child is a full time job, so either be a parent 100% and have no work/other stuff to do
or divide it taht one works and is a parent 50%, and the other cleans/etc and parents 50%
The nannystate would mean the person working has taken on the traditional male role, and the nanny has taken on the traditional female role.
yes and a nannystate fulfills both
its a strongarm taht provides, and nurtures
Yes but the single parent isn’t fulfilling both roles, someone else is filling the female role, they just happen to pay that person instead of marry them
its still the same influence
but if we go back, you said you base gender on social views
and that means you consider gender a social construct, like those people that think gender is a spectrum
Who’s raising & nurturing the child, the working parent or the nanny?
as i said, if a parent doesn't need to work and clean, they can literally be both
So someone else is taking over the traditional roles of the female
the issue is a lack of time
Hence parenting works best as a couple, one works to provide, and the other settles the home front, and you both divide the child-time
no, i said that a 100% parent can do both
cleaning isn't a traditional female role
It may not be anymore, but it sure as hell was 60 years ago
also wrong
its nurturing that is the female role
and yes, living in a clean household is better
hence we do it
and the reason it was the female job 60 years ago
so they'd either have to clean after
Or the woman does it whilst the man works for provisions
The traditional American female role as always been the homekeeper. This was everything from child raising, to household chores such as laundry, cooking, & cleaning
for the reasons i said above
Being a home keeper was a full time job before modern technology
waht if you're a millionaire, or a lord?
The lady of the house didn't clean either
Now work isn’t always manual labour that requires you to be outside the house so men can also have more time to clean or raise kids.
you'd have workers do it
that didn't magically make the workers fulfil the female roles in those households
a lords daughter didn't look at the maids and think "damn, thats my life soon"
No, her life was focused solely on child raising because her husband would likely be someone who could pay for servants to do the tasks she’d normally be expect to take care of. This way she could dedicate herself 100% to the kids which would, in theory, mean the kids turned out superior
exactly
that means that cleaning isn't the traditional female role as i've said
Except it would be expected of her should she not be able to afford to pay someone else to do it
the traditional female role is to entertain, to raise, to teach them to behave and be polite, manners
And the male role is to teach them to be a rock, to bear the brunt and to protect his own
that expectation is placed by society
A good household is clean and well adjusted
If the man works, then its only fair the woman works too, and since she needs to be at home around the kid, she has to work at home, and since there was no major internet businesses etc, most work to do at home was clean/weave clothes and cook
but that only proves my point that if a person doesn't have to do either, they can focus on the kid and be both a strong parental figure, and a nurturing one
which would solidify that if theres a "null" gender there should also be its opposite "omni" gender
I mean it’s almost as if traditional gender roles are basically dead in modern society
they're not
It’s just a vocal minority saying they are.
They kinda are. There’s no more societal expectations on who’s the provider, who raises children, ect