It's like, hey, we live in a safe society, but we can't let our survival instinct die, because our threats just look different

yeah

we live in a society

Still, its a self defeating feeling.

Why should I bother putting in any effort if I think I am ultimely worthless.

A nihilistic view brought about by laziness

Nobody's worthless

If you think you're worthless, give yourself worth. Work for it

Not saying I believe I am worthless.

But thats how these people say/

Point still stands

it's not that life isn't meaningless. It's that if that's your basis, you might as well suicide

I think its just either laziness manifesting itself or disguising itself.

It's like, under the assumption that these individuals _are_ useless (which I disagree with); would you rather stay useless and hang out with useless people and live and die useless, or make something of yourself?

Dude, I agree with you completely.

Im only pointing out why these people think that way

you guys are basically saying the same thing

Why I think these people think that way

Yeah

Which is "Since I think I am a useless person, why should I bother putting in any effort"

Its just either harmful nihilism or laziness

Theres genuine cases of depression out there.

I used to be in an incel support server (as in we'd support incels, I wasn't incel)

And so many of them were so self defeating, it was really cyclical

Why do you think they hate "motivation"

Im talking shit like "Its easy just do X"

Or react with hostility to genuine advice

Its the same shit with HAES people sometimes

"I'm worthless and have no friends and I'm always bored."
"Have you tried getting a hobby with useful practical skills? You could make friends at a club, too, you have one common interest."
"I'm too busy and I don't wanna and it's pointless."

the thing with incels that I don't get is... why are they even trying? 😏

Pretend they have something that cant be fixed

most men are avoiding relationships, so it seems weird that a group starts complaining that they aren't getting any

Most incels have mental conditions or bad upbringings that lead them to act... yknow, how they act

they are little bitches

But the problem is they mutually validate

momas boys

So a echo chamber

Yeah

it's easy nowadays to close yourself at home and never get bored

Theres the distinction between people who wallow in depression over failure to meet a mate.

it's what we created