And incurable

Genuinely I see some people and I'm just like "wow"

Ebola chan was too pure for this world tbh.

Well so was tay chan

Recent years have helped me mature a lot because I realised just because some people are hopeless/lost causes, it doesn't mean there's no hope

Eh its easier for people to pretend they dont need effort if it wont mean anything

eventually you'll take the ironpill and realize everyone is a lost cause

dab

Lol that's stupid, I thought I was a lost cause and then I realised I didn't wanna be, so now I'm not

Self-defeating ideologies are, well, self-defeating

And are often the overarching reason one stays in their situation

gotta dab on that self-doubt epic style

It's like, hey, we live in a safe society, but we can't let our survival instinct die, because our threats just look different

yeah

we live in a society

Still, its a self defeating feeling.

Why should I bother putting in any effort if I think I am ultimely worthless.

A nihilistic view brought about by laziness

Nobody's worthless

If you think you're worthless, give yourself worth. Work for it

Not saying I believe I am worthless.

But thats how these people say/

Point still stands

it's not that life isn't meaningless. It's that if that's your basis, you might as well suicide

I think its just either laziness manifesting itself or disguising itself.

It's like, under the assumption that these individuals _are_ useless (which I disagree with); would you rather stay useless and hang out with useless people and live and die useless, or make something of yourself?

Dude, I agree with you completely.

Im only pointing out why these people think that way

you guys are basically saying the same thing

Why I think these people think that way

Yeah

Which is "Since I think I am a useless person, why should I bother putting in any effort"

Its just either harmful nihilism or laziness

Theres genuine cases of depression out there.

I used to be in an incel support server (as in we'd support incels, I wasn't incel)

And so many of them were so self defeating, it was really cyclical

Why do you think they hate "motivation"

Im talking shit like "Its easy just do X"

Or react with hostility to genuine advice

Its the same shit with HAES people sometimes

"I'm worthless and have no friends and I'm always bored."
"Have you tried getting a hobby with useful practical skills? You could make friends at a club, too, you have one common interest."
"I'm too busy and I don't wanna and it's pointless."