These ideas are so primitive, wew. You know that even a moral government can never be a substitute for your parents, right? Your parents know you, they may even, at times, know you better than you know yourself. They have every reason to educate you, too, and to educate you with leniency, when that's required. They will never sacrifice you for the "greater good", whereas a "moral" government might do just that, punishing you for an imagined infriction so that others will learn not to actually commit the deed. The metaphor is lacking on several levels.

I'd also like to know where you find a "pure" and devoted government.

>primitive ideas

>acting as if that’s a bad thing

Lol

You can only have a small government with a moral society/population

Your conception seems to be that some pure and moral government composed of people who visit sunday mass and never watch porn will magically spring into existence, and then educate everyone else to be as good and pure as they are.

Otherwise it won’t work

I didn’t say they would magically spring into existence

Where does a moral society come from? @EYEFORKNOWLEDGE156

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If you don't need a government to instill morality in people, which is what you really presuppose, then why do you think that you badly need one later?

I am not talking about punishing literal faggotry and abortion (the latter of which is clearly homicide). People managed to keep that kind of immorality in check just fine in the past, without needing an intrusive government.

Without an authority to tell people “no this is bad” people will naturally gravitate towards “bad” things

As I mentioned previously, we see this with homosexuality, abortion, rape, murder, etc

In countries where those aren’t punished, the rate of crimes surge up

@AH-64 because people were more religious in the past that’s why it was kept in check

Why do you speak of "telling" people what is wrong? We are not discussing communicative actions here, but coercion.

the natural entropy of society must be fought!

Because that’s how it must be done

The Church has been this authority for over a thousand years, and it was seldom very coercive. Even the Spanish Institution was largely a joke.

That’s how God did it, that’s how Kings of old did it, that’s how authoritarians and fascists did it, why shouldn’t that be how we do it

I seriously hope you don't have the Nazis in mind. Half the SA were homosexuals.

@here want to do vc?

They also sponsored abortion and forced sterilization, looted monasteries, and openly spread heresies. I found three of them in a single children's book.

BASED

hm in another one right now

This disgusts me.

Not even God magically hit every thief and fornicator with lightning. He reserves a lot of punishment for the afterlife, or He deals with it through providence, making people suffer the consequences of their sins.

There’s something called the Laws of Moses

Moreover when ye fast, be not, as the hypocrites, of a sad countenance: for they disfigure their faces, that they may appear unto men to fast. Verily I say unto you, They have their reward.

It instructed God’s people themselves to punish sinners

Usually by death

Thus culling the spiteful mutants and other degenerates

I brought a good quote today

“For every Monarchy overthrown the sky becomes less brilliant, because it loses a star. A Republic is ugliness set free.”

- Anatole France

Yes!

And yet, the Christians didn't follow it to the letter. For example, they were one of the few groups who did not execute adulterers, in the first few centuries after Christ.

And I’m suggesting we bring that policy, or something similar to it back

Even if we can be more lenient about it, this degeneracy cannot run rampant

That's because Christ elevated the Mosaic Laws to a spiritual level. We are no longer required to punish punish every transgression in this world, or at least with the old severity. We do not stone adulterers, because we know that they already bring death upon themselves.

So why shouldn’t we just stone them now?

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