Your conception seems to be that some pure and moral government composed of people who visit sunday mass and never watch porn will magically spring into existence, and then educate everyone else to be as good and pure as they are.

Otherwise it won’t work

I didn’t say they would magically spring into existence

Where does a moral society come from? @EYEFORKNOWLEDGE156

@Mr.Fisch（炫龙） Following God in all His glory and wishes

Omge

If you don't need a government to instill morality in people, which is what you really presuppose, then why do you think that you badly need one later?

I am not talking about punishing literal faggotry and abortion (the latter of which is clearly homicide). People managed to keep that kind of immorality in check just fine in the past, without needing an intrusive government.

Without an authority to tell people “no this is bad” people will naturally gravitate towards “bad” things

As I mentioned previously, we see this with homosexuality, abortion, rape, murder, etc

In countries where those aren’t punished, the rate of crimes surge up

@AH-64 because people were more religious in the past that’s why it was kept in check

Why do you speak of "telling" people what is wrong? We are not discussing communicative actions here, but coercion.

the natural entropy of society must be fought!

Because that’s how it must be done

The Church has been this authority for over a thousand years, and it was seldom very coercive. Even the Spanish Institution was largely a joke.

That’s how God did it, that’s how Kings of old did it, that’s how authoritarians and fascists did it, why shouldn’t that be how we do it

I seriously hope you don't have the Nazis in mind. Half the SA were homosexuals.

@here want to do vc?

They also sponsored abortion and forced sterilization, looted monasteries, and openly spread heresies. I found three of them in a single children's book.

BASED

hm in another one right now

This disgusts me.

Not even God magically hit every thief and fornicator with lightning. He reserves a lot of punishment for the afterlife, or He deals with it through providence, making people suffer the consequences of their sins.

There’s something called the Laws of Moses

Moreover when ye fast, be not, as the hypocrites, of a sad countenance: for they disfigure their faces, that they may appear unto men to fast. Verily I say unto you, They have their reward.

It instructed God’s people themselves to punish sinners

Usually by death

Thus culling the spiteful mutants and other degenerates

I brought a good quote today

“For every Monarchy overthrown the sky becomes less brilliant, because it loses a star. A Republic is ugliness set free.”

- Anatole France

Yes!

And yet, the Christians didn't follow it to the letter. For example, they were one of the few groups who did not execute adulterers, in the first few centuries after Christ.

And I’m suggesting we bring that policy, or something similar to it back

Even if we can be more lenient about it, this degeneracy cannot run rampant

That's because Christ elevated the Mosaic Laws to a spiritual level. We are no longer required to punish punish every transgression in this world, or at least with the old severity. We do not stone adulterers, because we know that they already bring death upon themselves.

So why shouldn’t we just stone them now?

Crush your enemies with an iron fist

You can, if you are without sin :^)

You don’t have to be without sin you just can’t be degenerate

John 8:7 says something else

Even if that passage is spurious, it has been given great weight in the tradition of the Church.