Message from @Mr. Nessel
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@21ooAB @clossington Is this a valid critique for nationalism? I don't even understand why these progressives or, in this case, pro EU people would claim it is a bad idea to fix their own countries before helping others.
That's Keith Wood's critique of old-school nationalism
At which point should we be concerned with both global and national issues?
@clossington Which is?
Global issues require international cooperation between nations
Greece can't hold the migrants at bay on it's own
The issue with Euroskepticism is that it identifies institutions themselves as the problem
Rather than the European parliament being filled with actors, people who can be replaced it needs to be burned down
Somehow breaking the EU into it's rotten pieces will fix everything somehow
Brexit if anything has enabled the British establishment to go ahead and become more dependent on free trade, Nato etc.
Not to mention their intention to swap Poles with Pakis which is just great
Any sort of nationalist momentum is completely wasted now, the energy completely sedated with a false victory
There is no way to really opt out of this as a single country. You're going to have to attack this holistically or provide a viable alternative for small states to opt in
Without it a state that genuinely chooses to opt out will just be a right wing North Korea, an international pariah
the EU has been a left wing political project from the start
i dont know how you can blame simply the actors and not the institution itself
And so have most nation states with constitutions
The EU is ultimately just amalgamating a bunch of states which are already flawed to begin with
It is left wing because its constituent parts are
Swap out the people in charge and the EU becomes a right wing institution
Otherwise every single time a national government fucks up to be consistent you would need to advocate secession
If this applies at all, it also applies to nation states
Germany is left wing, gues the GDR needs to return
America gets a blue government, guess red states should all secede to end the tyranny of Washington or whatever
thats pretty simplistic analysis
the EU as a political institution is recent
So is the nation state
It's not that old
modern nation states have been around for 300 years or more
anyway
Not really
the chalice is too poisoned either way
why not burn it to the ground and rebuild a different supranational european poltiical bloc
You could go with that but nobody is trying it right now and it'd be risky to be the first to try
So you'd need to wait for several right wing governments to come into power
i dont see a new EU emerging for a while after this one falls
Than coordinate them leaving
what i can imagine is a balkanization
And have the block be viable
UK becomes a US vassal (atlanticists)
more join the visegrad group
Visegrad group is entirely part of the Nato system
EU remains as germany and the scandis
Which would leave us way too weak