Message from @Galahad

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2020-04-17 20:38:40 UTC  

the EU has been a left wing political project from the start

2020-04-17 20:38:53 UTC  

i dont know how you can blame simply the actors and not the institution itself

2020-04-17 20:39:10 UTC  

And so have most nation states with constitutions

2020-04-17 20:39:40 UTC  

The EU is ultimately just amalgamating a bunch of states which are already flawed to begin with

2020-04-17 20:39:52 UTC  

It is left wing because its constituent parts are

2020-04-17 20:40:47 UTC  

Swap out the people in charge and the EU becomes a right wing institution

2020-04-17 20:42:13 UTC  

Otherwise every single time a national government fucks up to be consistent you would need to advocate secession
If this applies at all, it also applies to nation states

2020-04-17 20:42:42 UTC  

Germany is left wing, gues the GDR needs to return

2020-04-17 20:43:08 UTC  

America gets a blue government, guess red states should all secede to end the tyranny of Washington or whatever

2020-04-17 20:43:31 UTC  

thats pretty simplistic analysis

2020-04-17 20:43:41 UTC  

the EU as a political institution is recent

2020-04-17 20:43:52 UTC  

So is the nation state

2020-04-17 20:43:56 UTC  

It's not that old

2020-04-17 20:44:11 UTC  

modern nation states have been around for 300 years or more

2020-04-17 20:44:21 UTC  

anyway

2020-04-17 20:44:23 UTC  

Not really

2020-04-17 20:44:31 UTC  

the chalice is too poisoned either way

2020-04-17 20:44:52 UTC  

why not burn it to the ground and rebuild a different supranational european poltiical bloc

2020-04-17 20:45:26 UTC  

You could go with that but nobody is trying it right now and it'd be risky to be the first to try

2020-04-17 20:45:44 UTC  

So you'd need to wait for several right wing governments to come into power

2020-04-17 20:45:47 UTC  

i dont see a new EU emerging for a while after this one falls

2020-04-17 20:45:51 UTC  

Than coordinate them leaving

2020-04-17 20:45:54 UTC  

what i can imagine is a balkanization

2020-04-17 20:45:59 UTC  

And have the block be viable

2020-04-17 20:46:04 UTC  

UK becomes a US vassal (atlanticists)

2020-04-17 20:46:09 UTC  

more join the visegrad group

2020-04-17 20:46:26 UTC  

Visegrad group is entirely part of the Nato system

2020-04-17 20:46:28 UTC  

EU remains as germany and the scandis

2020-04-17 20:46:54 UTC  

Which would leave us way too weak

2020-04-17 20:47:04 UTC  

against who

2020-04-17 20:47:06 UTC  

russia?

2020-04-17 20:47:09 UTC  

china?

2020-04-17 20:47:55 UTC  

Germany and Scandinavian countries put together would hardly be relevant on the world stage and have issues forming a viable trade block

2020-04-17 20:48:15 UTC  

Nato of course

2020-04-17 20:48:55 UTC  

Visegrad is too sympathetic to America to ever leave Nato and ultimately remain part of the system

2020-04-17 20:49:15 UTC  

A Germany on its own would have a hard time

2020-04-17 20:49:26 UTC  

the EU was CIA approved from the start

2020-04-17 20:49:35 UTC  

lets not pretend like its so different from NATO

2020-04-17 20:49:35 UTC  

i think germany an Eu as a whole want to ally with russia and just get cheap resources for their industrial economies. the biggest obsticale for this is NATO and Visegrad countries which are so butthurt about their former occupator they can no longer sit straight.

2020-04-17 20:49:45 UTC  

i mean

2020-04-17 20:49:50 UTC  

Exactly Vex