Message from @Mr. Nessel

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2020-04-17 20:35:14 UTC  

Brexit if anything has enabled the British establishment to go ahead and become more dependent on free trade, Nato etc.

2020-04-17 20:35:38 UTC  

Not to mention their intention to swap Poles with Pakis which is just great

2020-04-17 20:36:07 UTC  

Any sort of nationalist momentum is completely wasted now, the energy completely sedated with a false victory

2020-04-17 20:37:18 UTC  

There is no way to really opt out of this as a single country. You're going to have to attack this holistically or provide a viable alternative for small states to opt in

2020-04-17 20:38:04 UTC  

Without it a state that genuinely chooses to opt out will just be a right wing North Korea, an international pariah

2020-04-17 20:38:40 UTC  

the EU has been a left wing political project from the start

2020-04-17 20:38:53 UTC  

i dont know how you can blame simply the actors and not the institution itself

2020-04-17 20:39:10 UTC  

And so have most nation states with constitutions

2020-04-17 20:39:40 UTC  

The EU is ultimately just amalgamating a bunch of states which are already flawed to begin with

2020-04-17 20:39:52 UTC  

It is left wing because its constituent parts are

2020-04-17 20:40:47 UTC  

Swap out the people in charge and the EU becomes a right wing institution

2020-04-17 20:42:13 UTC  

Otherwise every single time a national government fucks up to be consistent you would need to advocate secession
If this applies at all, it also applies to nation states

2020-04-17 20:42:42 UTC  

Germany is left wing, gues the GDR needs to return

2020-04-17 20:43:08 UTC  

America gets a blue government, guess red states should all secede to end the tyranny of Washington or whatever

2020-04-17 20:43:31 UTC  

thats pretty simplistic analysis

2020-04-17 20:43:41 UTC  

the EU as a political institution is recent

2020-04-17 20:43:52 UTC  

So is the nation state

2020-04-17 20:43:56 UTC  

It's not that old

2020-04-17 20:44:11 UTC  

modern nation states have been around for 300 years or more

2020-04-17 20:44:21 UTC  

anyway

2020-04-17 20:44:23 UTC  

Not really

2020-04-17 20:44:31 UTC  

the chalice is too poisoned either way

2020-04-17 20:44:52 UTC  

why not burn it to the ground and rebuild a different supranational european poltiical bloc

2020-04-17 20:45:26 UTC  

You could go with that but nobody is trying it right now and it'd be risky to be the first to try

2020-04-17 20:45:44 UTC  

So you'd need to wait for several right wing governments to come into power

2020-04-17 20:45:47 UTC  

i dont see a new EU emerging for a while after this one falls

2020-04-17 20:45:51 UTC  

Than coordinate them leaving

2020-04-17 20:45:54 UTC  

what i can imagine is a balkanization

2020-04-17 20:45:59 UTC  

And have the block be viable

2020-04-17 20:46:04 UTC  

UK becomes a US vassal (atlanticists)

2020-04-17 20:46:09 UTC  

more join the visegrad group

2020-04-17 20:46:26 UTC  

Visegrad group is entirely part of the Nato system

2020-04-17 20:46:28 UTC  

EU remains as germany and the scandis

2020-04-17 20:46:54 UTC  

Which would leave us way too weak

2020-04-17 20:47:04 UTC  

against who

2020-04-17 20:47:06 UTC  

russia?

2020-04-17 20:47:09 UTC  

china?

2020-04-17 20:47:55 UTC  

Germany and Scandinavian countries put together would hardly be relevant on the world stage and have issues forming a viable trade block

2020-04-17 20:48:15 UTC  

Nato of course

2020-04-17 20:48:55 UTC  

Visegrad is too sympathetic to America to ever leave Nato and ultimately remain part of the system

2020-04-17 20:49:15 UTC  

A Germany on its own would have a hard time