Message from @clossington

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2020-04-17 19:16:38 UTC  

The 1st and 2nd Bank of the United States>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Federal Reserve

2020-04-17 19:16:55 UTC  

His America is the America of today.

2020-04-17 19:17:10 UTC  

It is not

2020-04-17 19:17:15 UTC  

how so?

2020-04-17 19:17:27 UTC  

How is advocating for elective monarchy similar to America today?

2020-04-17 19:17:50 UTC  

do you dislike him because he's a federalist

2020-04-17 19:17:52 UTC  

lol he didn't care much about who ruled that's why he would switch sides so often.

2020-04-17 19:18:08 UTC  

he had monied interest in the constitution

2020-04-17 19:18:23 UTC  

he was a banker first and foremost

2020-04-17 19:18:52 UTC  

made New York City the center of American finance

2020-04-17 19:19:28 UTC  

he was not "le based" monarchist. Look at who his friends were.

2020-04-17 19:22:10 UTC  

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/672211350436708356/700788212792164402/unknown.png

2020-04-17 19:22:12 UTC  

hmm

2020-04-17 19:22:31 UTC  

apparently ive been to his birthhplace

2020-04-17 19:22:33 UTC  

had no idea

2020-04-17 19:23:14 UTC  

That’s disconcerting

2020-04-17 20:02:46 UTC  

@21ooAB @clossington Is this a valid critique for nationalism? I don't even understand why these progressives or, in this case, pro EU people would claim it is a bad idea to fix their own countries before helping others.

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/672211350436708356/700798431383257171/unknown.png

2020-04-17 20:03:13 UTC  

That's Keith Wood's critique of old-school nationalism

2020-04-17 20:03:15 UTC  

At which point should we be concerned with both global and national issues?

2020-04-17 20:07:07 UTC  

@clossington Which is?

2020-04-17 20:07:47 UTC  

Global issues require international cooperation between nations

2020-04-17 20:33:38 UTC  

Greece can't hold the migrants at bay on it's own

2020-04-17 20:34:13 UTC  

The issue with Euroskepticism is that it identifies institutions themselves as the problem
Rather than the European parliament being filled with actors, people who can be replaced it needs to be burned down
Somehow breaking the EU into it's rotten pieces will fix everything somehow

2020-04-17 20:35:14 UTC  

Brexit if anything has enabled the British establishment to go ahead and become more dependent on free trade, Nato etc.

2020-04-17 20:35:38 UTC  

Not to mention their intention to swap Poles with Pakis which is just great

2020-04-17 20:36:07 UTC  

Any sort of nationalist momentum is completely wasted now, the energy completely sedated with a false victory

2020-04-17 20:37:18 UTC  

There is no way to really opt out of this as a single country. You're going to have to attack this holistically or provide a viable alternative for small states to opt in

2020-04-17 20:38:04 UTC  

Without it a state that genuinely chooses to opt out will just be a right wing North Korea, an international pariah

2020-04-17 20:38:40 UTC  

the EU has been a left wing political project from the start

2020-04-17 20:38:53 UTC  

i dont know how you can blame simply the actors and not the institution itself

2020-04-17 20:39:10 UTC  

And so have most nation states with constitutions

2020-04-17 20:39:40 UTC  

The EU is ultimately just amalgamating a bunch of states which are already flawed to begin with

2020-04-17 20:39:52 UTC  

It is left wing because its constituent parts are

2020-04-17 20:40:47 UTC  

Swap out the people in charge and the EU becomes a right wing institution

2020-04-17 20:42:13 UTC  

Otherwise every single time a national government fucks up to be consistent you would need to advocate secession
If this applies at all, it also applies to nation states

2020-04-17 20:42:42 UTC  

Germany is left wing, gues the GDR needs to return

2020-04-17 20:43:08 UTC  

America gets a blue government, guess red states should all secede to end the tyranny of Washington or whatever

2020-04-17 20:43:31 UTC  

thats pretty simplistic analysis

2020-04-17 20:43:41 UTC  

the EU as a political institution is recent

2020-04-17 20:43:52 UTC  

So is the nation state

2020-04-17 20:43:56 UTC  

It's not that old