Message from @Mr. Nessel
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Without it a state that genuinely chooses to opt out will just be a right wing North Korea, an international pariah
the EU has been a left wing political project from the start
i dont know how you can blame simply the actors and not the institution itself
And so have most nation states with constitutions
The EU is ultimately just amalgamating a bunch of states which are already flawed to begin with
It is left wing because its constituent parts are
Swap out the people in charge and the EU becomes a right wing institution
Otherwise every single time a national government fucks up to be consistent you would need to advocate secession
If this applies at all, it also applies to nation states
Germany is left wing, gues the GDR needs to return
America gets a blue government, guess red states should all secede to end the tyranny of Washington or whatever
thats pretty simplistic analysis
the EU as a political institution is recent
So is the nation state
It's not that old
modern nation states have been around for 300 years or more
anyway
Not really
the chalice is too poisoned either way
why not burn it to the ground and rebuild a different supranational european poltiical bloc
You could go with that but nobody is trying it right now and it'd be risky to be the first to try
i dont see a new EU emerging for a while after this one falls
Than coordinate them leaving
what i can imagine is a balkanization
And have the block be viable
UK becomes a US vassal (atlanticists)
more join the visegrad group
Visegrad group is entirely part of the Nato system
EU remains as germany and the scandis
Which would leave us way too weak
against who
russia?
china?
Germany and Scandinavian countries put together would hardly be relevant on the world stage and have issues forming a viable trade block
Nato of course
Visegrad is too sympathetic to America to ever leave Nato and ultimately remain part of the system
A Germany on its own would have a hard time
the EU was CIA approved from the start
lets not pretend like its so different from NATO
i think germany an Eu as a whole want to ally with russia and just get cheap resources for their industrial economies. the biggest obsticale for this is NATO and Visegrad countries which are so butthurt about their former occupator they can no longer sit straight.
i mean