1k and 100% freetime, vs half the time, and anything below 3k for example

You're getting 1k a month reguardless of what you do.

Because who is going to work full time for a job that is only a few degrees more valuable than doing fuck all?

Also when does UBI kick in?

UBI is universal

All of the time.

Regardless of your situation, at the very least it will provide for the basics

Next, there are some services that are not consistent. Living quarter rent for example.

Doesn't that exacerbate the fundie Mormon scenario?

Can society expect to provide say, the same accomodation to everyone at that level of it.

Lets say your disabled, and you're getting 1,200 a month, you're starting to feel better but you still need help. would you be willing to risk your 1,200 a month?

Youd still get 1.2k though right?

No if you start working you lose it.

BUt isnt UBI always on?

Ah, but here's the thing you could switch to UBI from disablity, and get the 1,000 and a part time job.

But would that still make it UBI>

But the UBI wouldn't go away disability can be taken away.

Well heres the issue I have with a pure meritocratic society

That would mean that theres always a group of "absoulute zeroes"

Yes.

So theres charity. Or welfare.

Correct.

And the use of either is heavily dependent on culture.

Sorry, the reliability of either

okayy

Well how I see welfare is "We cant trust society to take care of its weakest so we do it for you"

Enforced charity.

THat is not to say that it is wrong.

As everyone has different standards as to who needs help

UBI can cover everyone. But there will always be people who will need alot more than UBI provides to live.

Yes.

Welfare programs would still exist to help those that need more.

And well, I can go on, I have spent alot of time thinking. And I am generally very much against any idea of govt controll.

So stuff like charity vs welfare, govt vs private.

It's not government control.

Well, dependence on the govt then

It would be money given by the government but with no restrictions on it.

Okay.

okay where were we

It's still government control at the end of the day

The money comes from somewhere