So theres charity. Or welfare.

Correct.

And the use of either is heavily dependent on culture.

Sorry, the reliability of either

okayy

Well how I see welfare is "We cant trust society to take care of its weakest so we do it for you"

Enforced charity.

THat is not to say that it is wrong.

As everyone has different standards as to who needs help

UBI can cover everyone. But there will always be people who will need alot more than UBI provides to live.

Yes.

Welfare programs would still exist to help those that need more.

And well, I can go on, I have spent alot of time thinking. And I am generally very much against any idea of govt controll.

So stuff like charity vs welfare, govt vs private.

It's not government control.

Well, dependence on the govt then

It would be money given by the government but with no restrictions on it.

Okay.

okay where were we

It's still government control at the end of the day

The money comes from somewhere

And government is not a revenue generator

government revenue is taxpayer money

Yes.

Why should the taxpayer be expected to pay into an equity system?

It's not an equity system.

basic income,

The bottom is equity

It is literally redistribution of wealth, just on a small scale

Its equal opportunity. If the govt gets its revenue from something other than tax

It's not opportunity, it's outcome

So you're against welfare?

Im only against how its implemented now.

Right now its just a really easy way to get votes at the expense of taxpayers

As a rule, yes

That said, i can sympathise with those that can't provide for their own due to debilitation,
Hence i'm okay with essential welfare

but like ginga said

Not as a means to buy votes

I think any safety net should be minimized, and dissolved if a better alternative emerges outside of government provided means

Okay, well it is my proposal that this would be a viable option for those that wish to leave welfare and re-enter the work force.

The system now is okay, its just too corrupt.

No drug testing on applicants.

that is the whole idea behind welfare, a safety net to help people get back on track

The issue is "good luck getting people to work if they're comfortable"

Drug testing is costly and ineffective.