Message from @GingaBomber
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And don't find a job because they don't want to lose welfare.
Second issue.
I think that very much has to do with how welfare incentives work
Jobs would have to pay you a significantly higher wage than the UBI provides.
Why would it need to be increased.
1k and 100% freetime, vs half the time, and anything below 3k for example
You're getting 1k a month reguardless of what you do.
Because who is going to work full time for a job that is only a few degrees more valuable than doing fuck all?
Also when does UBI kick in?
UBI is universal
All of the time.
Regardless of your situation, at the very least it will provide for the basics
Next, there are some services that are not consistent. Living quarter rent for example.
Doesn't that exacerbate the fundie Mormon scenario?
Can society expect to provide say, the same accomodation to everyone at that level of it.
Lets say your disabled, and you're getting 1,200 a month, you're starting to feel better but you still need help. would you be willing to risk your 1,200 a month?
Youd still get 1.2k though right?
No if you start working you lose it.
BUt isnt UBI always on?
Ah, but here's the thing you could switch to UBI from disablity, and get the 1,000 and a part time job.
But the UBI wouldn't go away disability can be taken away.
Well heres the issue I have with a pure meritocratic society
That would mean that theres always a group of "absoulute zeroes"
Yes.
So theres charity. Or welfare.
Correct.
And the use of either is heavily dependent on culture.
Sorry, the reliability of either
okayy
Well how I see welfare is "We cant trust society to take care of its weakest so we do it for you"
Enforced charity.
THat is not to say that it is wrong.
As everyone has different standards as to who needs help
UBI can cover everyone. But there will always be people who will need alot more than UBI provides to live.
Yes.
Welfare programs would still exist to help those that need more.
And well, I can go on, I have spent alot of time thinking. And I am generally very much against any idea of govt controll.
So stuff like charity vs welfare, govt vs private.
It's not government control.
Well, dependence on the govt then