Message from @GingaBomber
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Sure.
My issue is that the populace would get complacent. Why work if everything is provided, you remove all ambition.
But population changes would fix that
You can get everything you need for 1,000 a month?
We have ghettoes in the US where they live in hell.
But prefer that to having to work for a living or get an education
Yes and many of them are stuck on welfare.
Doesn't that devalue low wage work further? Like the baseline for living is 1k, and you get that no matter what. Why would you work full time for minimum wage unless minimum wage was drastically increased (which is infeasible)
And don't find a job because they don't want to lose welfare.
Second issue.
I think that very much has to do with how welfare incentives work
Jobs would have to pay you a significantly higher wage than the UBI provides.
Why would it need to be increased.
1k and 100% freetime, vs half the time, and anything below 3k for example
You're getting 1k a month reguardless of what you do.
Because who is going to work full time for a job that is only a few degrees more valuable than doing fuck all?
Also when does UBI kick in?
UBI is universal
All of the time.
Regardless of your situation, at the very least it will provide for the basics
Doesn't that exacerbate the fundie Mormon scenario?
Can society expect to provide say, the same accomodation to everyone at that level of it.
Lets say your disabled, and you're getting 1,200 a month, you're starting to feel better but you still need help. would you be willing to risk your 1,200 a month?
Youd still get 1.2k though right?
No if you start working you lose it.
BUt isnt UBI always on?
Ah, but here's the thing you could switch to UBI from disablity, and get the 1,000 and a part time job.
But would that still make it UBI>
But the UBI wouldn't go away disability can be taken away.
Well heres the issue I have with a pure meritocratic society
That would mean that theres always a group of "absoulute zeroes"
Yes.
So theres charity. Or welfare.
Correct.
And the use of either is heavily dependent on culture.
Sorry, the reliability of either
okayy
Well how I see welfare is "We cant trust society to take care of its weakest so we do it for you"
Enforced charity.
THat is not to say that it is wrong.