a great natural danger, or extraterrestrials

Well you've got a society with publicly owned land, products and means of production. How are these organized? How does one measure efficiency?

Yeah unless if there is an apocalypse of course not

historically, opposed groups have showed an ability to unify when threatened by an outside threat

yes, which is how the state controls people

Yeah but they are still fighting now

as well as religion, and progressives, everyone

@Beemann there's plenty of different ways, e.g. command economy, AI, or just general cooperation

eventually, post-scarcity production

Muslims and Hindus United to figure against the British but now they are fighting with each other

And it became into Pakistan and India

Command economies don't have a great track record, particularly when it comes to the rights of the citizenry

you need post-scarcity before you can remove merit based ideas

It's only short lived

don't we have someone who was in a command economy?

i believe soul crushing and lacking in things like art and music was how he described it

An AI only works if we base production off of mathematics. Humans are not mathematical creatures generally. They make flawed, emotional decisions

Post - scarcity like star trek?

AI would be the most oppressive entity in existence

Star Trek isn't even communist though fwiw

star trek is essentially a mid-stage socialist society

Yeah

Star Trek is a hierarchal liberal society with private ownership

that's not really accurate

you must have watched the recent sargon video

I've watched Star Trek. People have personal possessions, and gamble

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People own things "back home" including property

socialist society is not mutually exclusive with property

How do you own the means of production but then allow people to own their own means of production?
How do you move to communal ownership but give your employees wages such that they can bet them on various goings on?
There's not really anything in the way of that all being removed is there?

in a socialist society, workers can own their own means of production

for example, picard's family has a family owned vineyard and stuff

You're doing this backwards

which makes picard the owner of a company, and that makes him no longer part of the working class

@Grenade123 for all we know, it's collectively owned

then its not his

in general though, in the marxist sense star trek is socialist

because of the abolishment of generalized commodity production

if everyone owns it, no one owns it

@Grenade123 that doesn't even make any sense, if me and my wife sign a lease on a house, it's not suddenly unowned

we both own it