Message from @Grenade123
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How does a non hierarchal society determine the best method of production?
But not communsim
@Beemann define "non-hierarchal society"
Why does the general consensus decided which production should be valued
@methdragon not necessarily, but in general I would say it's likely that unity amongst humanity will come about from a sort of outer-tribalism, that is, the desire to fight against a threat beyond humanity
What if the general consensus doesn't like sapce program
a great natural danger, or extraterrestrials
Well you've got a society with publicly owned land, products and means of production. How are these organized? How does one measure efficiency?
Yeah unless if there is an apocalypse of course not
historically, opposed groups have showed an ability to unify when threatened by an outside threat
yes, which is how the state controls people
Yeah but they are still fighting now
as well as religion, and progressives, everyone
@Beemann there's plenty of different ways, e.g. command economy, AI, or just general cooperation
eventually, post-scarcity production
Muslims and Hindus United to figure against the British but now they are fighting with each other
And it became into Pakistan and India
Command economies don't have a great track record, particularly when it comes to the rights of the citizenry
you need post-scarcity before you can remove merit based ideas
It's only short lived
i believe soul crushing and lacking in things like art and music was how he described it
An AI only works if we base production off of mathematics. Humans are not mathematical creatures generally. They make flawed, emotional decisions
Post - scarcity like star trek?
AI would be the most oppressive entity in existence
Star Trek isn't even communist though fwiw
star trek is essentially a mid-stage socialist society
Yeah
Star Trek is a hierarchal liberal society with private ownership
that's not really accurate
you must have watched the recent sargon video
I've watched Star Trek. People have personal possessions, and gamble
Ok guys it was great chatting with you I have to go now bye bye
People own things "back home" including property
socialist society is not mutually exclusive with property
How do you own the means of production but then allow people to own their own means of production?
How do you move to communal ownership but give your employees wages such that they can bet them on various goings on?
There's not really anything in the way of that all being removed is there?
in a socialist society, workers can own their own means of production
for example, picard's family has a family owned vineyard and stuff
You're doing this backwards
which makes picard the owner of a company, and that makes him no longer part of the working class
@Grenade123 for all we know, it's collectively owned