Message from @xmrsmoothx
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historically, opposed groups have showed an ability to unify when threatened by an outside threat
yes, which is how the state controls people
Yeah but they are still fighting now
as well as religion, and progressives, everyone
@Beemann there's plenty of different ways, e.g. command economy, AI, or just general cooperation
eventually, post-scarcity production
Muslims and Hindus United to figure against the British but now they are fighting with each other
And it became into Pakistan and India
Command economies don't have a great track record, particularly when it comes to the rights of the citizenry
you need post-scarcity before you can remove merit based ideas
It's only short lived
don't we have someone who was in a command economy?
i believe soul crushing and lacking in things like art and music was how he described it
An AI only works if we base production off of mathematics. Humans are not mathematical creatures generally. They make flawed, emotional decisions
Post - scarcity like star trek?
AI would be the most oppressive entity in existence
Star Trek isn't even communist though fwiw
star trek is essentially a mid-stage socialist society
Yeah
Star Trek is a hierarchal liberal society with private ownership
you must have watched the recent sargon video
I've watched Star Trek. People have personal possessions, and gamble
Ok guys it was great chatting with you I have to go now bye bye
People own things "back home" including property
socialist society is not mutually exclusive with property
How do you own the means of production but then allow people to own their own means of production?
How do you move to communal ownership but give your employees wages such that they can bet them on various goings on?
There's not really anything in the way of that all being removed is there?
in a socialist society, workers can own their own means of production
for example, picard's family has a family owned vineyard and stuff
You're doing this backwards
which makes picard the owner of a company, and that makes him no longer part of the working class
@Grenade123 for all we know, it's collectively owned
then its not his
in general though, in the marxist sense star trek is socialist
because of the abolishment of generalized commodity production
if everyone owns it, no one owns it
@Grenade123 that doesn't even make any sense, if me and my wife sign a lease on a house, it's not suddenly unowned
we both own it
if 10 people own something, then none of them own it, as none of them get to decide what to do with it
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you do not own a house, you and your wife own a house