Message from @xmrsmoothx
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An AI only works if we base production off of mathematics. Humans are not mathematical creatures generally. They make flawed, emotional decisions
Post - scarcity like star trek?
AI would be the most oppressive entity in existence
Star Trek isn't even communist though fwiw
star trek is essentially a mid-stage socialist society
Yeah
Star Trek is a hierarchal liberal society with private ownership
that's not really accurate
you must have watched the recent sargon video
I've watched Star Trek. People have personal possessions, and gamble
Ok guys it was great chatting with you I have to go now bye bye
People own things "back home" including property
socialist society is not mutually exclusive with property
How do you own the means of production but then allow people to own their own means of production?
How do you move to communal ownership but give your employees wages such that they can bet them on various goings on?
There's not really anything in the way of that all being removed is there?
in a socialist society, workers can own their own means of production
for example, picard's family has a family owned vineyard and stuff
You're doing this backwards
which makes picard the owner of a company, and that makes him no longer part of the working class
@Grenade123 for all we know, it's collectively owned
then its not his
because of the abolishment of generalized commodity production
if everyone owns it, no one owns it
@Grenade123 that doesn't even make any sense, if me and my wife sign a lease on a house, it's not suddenly unowned
we both own it
if 10 people own something, then none of them own it, as none of them get to decide what to do with it
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you do not own a house, you and your wife own a house
but should you and your wife disagree on how something is done with the house, then neither of you get to do anything with it
There should be a second debate channel that allows for related links and pictures to be posted
if you have problems with collective ownership I invite you to read kropotkin, he writes extensively on how it works
I'm off to eat lunch now
wish they'd remove slow mode
@xmrsmoothx do you have a problem with mob rule?
guten Appetit
DM me if you want to argue more, I'm leaving
collective ownership is mob rule
unless your ownership comes at certain percents, but then we have a hierarchy where whoever has the most ownership mostly gets to decide what happens
no real different than we have today
mob rule means those least represented get the shaft
not very progressive