Message from @xmrsmoothx
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How do your fine communism? Smooth
what it does say, is punish the people who worked hard to get into that class, and reward people for not working hard
@PerformedShelf "but is pragmatic about the details is not an etho-nationalist" I think at the very least they're a nationalist, and if their restrictions are applied to race as well, it's ethno-nationalist
I am for welfare capitalism
@xmrsmoothx tell me, why should i make food for you?
@methdragon communism is a stateless, classless, international society wherein generalized commodity production is abolished
@xmrsmoothx I'm glad you conceded that being a nationalist is not the same as being a Nazi, thank you
@Grenade123 in this instant? you shouldn't
Yeah that will never work
Its an ideal
@methdragon you can believe that if you want, it's certainly a tough thing for people in modern society to conceive of
@PerformedShelf they're certainly different things, sorry if I was confusing in saying so
Excepting people to be not tribalistic is foolishness
I am down to being stateless
How does a non hierarchal society determine the best method of production?
But not communsim
@Beemann define "non-hierarchal society"
Why does the general consensus decided which production should be valued
@methdragon not necessarily, but in general I would say it's likely that unity amongst humanity will come about from a sort of outer-tribalism, that is, the desire to fight against a threat beyond humanity
What if the general consensus doesn't like sapce program
Well you've got a society with publicly owned land, products and means of production. How are these organized? How does one measure efficiency?
Yeah unless if there is an apocalypse of course not
historically, opposed groups have showed an ability to unify when threatened by an outside threat
yes, which is how the state controls people
Yeah but they are still fighting now
as well as religion, and progressives, everyone
@Beemann there's plenty of different ways, e.g. command economy, AI, or just general cooperation
eventually, post-scarcity production
Muslims and Hindus United to figure against the British but now they are fighting with each other
And it became into Pakistan and India
Command economies don't have a great track record, particularly when it comes to the rights of the citizenry
you need post-scarcity before you can remove merit based ideas
It's only short lived
don't we have someone who was in a command economy?
i believe soul crushing and lacking in things like art and music was how he described it
An AI only works if we base production off of mathematics. Humans are not mathematical creatures generally. They make flawed, emotional decisions
Post - scarcity like star trek?
AI would be the most oppressive entity in existence
Star Trek isn't even communist though fwiw
star trek is essentially a mid-stage socialist society