Message from @methdragon
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@Grenade123 that's not what working class means
I understand but its funny I am sorry
@PerformedShelf ethno-nationalism isn't necessarily coincident with ethno-state, I would say
the working class was invented back when most people worked in factories
Socialism - a political and economic theory of social organization which advocates that the means of production, distribution, and exchange should be owned or regulated by the community as a whole.
now must work in that area is done by machines
instead we have more service-oriented fields.
Communism - a theory or system of social organization in which all property is owned by the community and each person contributes and receives according to their ability and needs
@methdragon more or less yeah
Most people can become CEOs
The standard definition
Yeah I disagree with that
@methdragon not the second definition, that's not what communist means
is it easy? no.
No?
@xmrsmoothx True, I will grant you that, there may be some Ethno-nationalists in any society, but a citizen in a country with multiple ethnicities who is fine with immigration, but is pragmatic about the details is not an etho-nationalist
Then my school's teaching is a lie
@Grenade123 what you're saying is "many people in the working class can change to a different class" which doesn't really affect what I'm saying
@methdragon not surprising
what it does say, is punish the people who worked hard to get into that class, and reward people for not working hard
@PerformedShelf "but is pragmatic about the details is not an etho-nationalist" I think at the very least they're a nationalist, and if their restrictions are applied to race as well, it's ethno-nationalist
I am for welfare capitalism
@xmrsmoothx tell me, why should i make food for you?
@methdragon communism is a stateless, classless, international society wherein generalized commodity production is abolished
@xmrsmoothx I'm glad you conceded that being a nationalist is not the same as being a Nazi, thank you
@Grenade123 in this instant? you shouldn't
Yeah that will never work
Its an ideal
@methdragon you can believe that if you want, it's certainly a tough thing for people in modern society to conceive of
@PerformedShelf they're certainly different things, sorry if I was confusing in saying so
Excepting people to be not tribalistic is foolishness
I am down to being stateless
How does a non hierarchal society determine the best method of production?
But not communsim
@Beemann define "non-hierarchal society"
Why does the general consensus decided which production should be valued
@methdragon not necessarily, but in general I would say it's likely that unity amongst humanity will come about from a sort of outer-tribalism, that is, the desire to fight against a threat beyond humanity
What if the general consensus doesn't like sapce program
a great natural danger, or extraterrestrials