Yeah I disagree with that

@methdragon not the second definition, that's not what communist means

is it easy? no.

No?

@xmrsmoothx True, I will grant you that, there may be some Ethno-nationalists in any society, but a citizen in a country with multiple ethnicities who is fine with immigration, but is pragmatic about the details is not an etho-nationalist

Then my school's teaching is a lie

@Grenade123 what you're saying is "many people in the working class can change to a different class" which doesn't really affect what I'm saying

@methdragon not surprising

How do your fine communism? Smooth

what it does say, is punish the people who worked hard to get into that class, and reward people for not working hard

@PerformedShelf "but is pragmatic about the details is not an etho-nationalist" I think at the very least they're a nationalist, and if their restrictions are applied to race as well, it's ethno-nationalist

I am for welfare capitalism

@xmrsmoothx tell me, why should i make food for you?

@methdragon communism is a stateless, classless, international society wherein generalized commodity production is abolished

@xmrsmoothx I'm glad you conceded that being a nationalist is not the same as being a Nazi, thank you

@Grenade123 in this instant? you shouldn't

Yeah that will never work

Its an ideal

@methdragon you can believe that if you want, it's certainly a tough thing for people in modern society to conceive of

@PerformedShelf they're certainly different things, sorry if I was confusing in saying so

Excepting people to be not tribalistic is foolishness

I am down to being stateless

How does a non hierarchal society determine the best method of production?

But not communsim

@Beemann define "non-hierarchal society"

Why does the general consensus decided which production should be valued

@methdragon not necessarily, but in general I would say it's likely that unity amongst humanity will come about from a sort of outer-tribalism, that is, the desire to fight against a threat beyond humanity

What if the general consensus doesn't like sapce program

a great natural danger, or extraterrestrials

Well you've got a society with publicly owned land, products and means of production. How are these organized? How does one measure efficiency?

Yeah unless if there is an apocalypse of course not

historically, opposed groups have showed an ability to unify when threatened by an outside threat

yes, which is how the state controls people

Yeah but they are still fighting now

as well as religion, and progressives, everyone

@Beemann there's plenty of different ways, e.g. command economy, AI, or just general cooperation

eventually, post-scarcity production

Muslims and Hindus United to figure against the British but now they are fighting with each other

And it became into Pakistan and India

Command economies don't have a great track record, particularly when it comes to the rights of the citizenry

you need post-scarcity before you can remove merit based ideas