Message from @Grenade123
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so it won't survive
not without a female
Still dont see how that means that by outlawing abortion we would be outlawing masturbation?
not saying it would, but i'm not talking about outlawing. Its about what is considered human life, and therefore what is moral to kill and immoral to kill. and why. Its pretty clear why killing in self defense is moral when you don't have an option. most people don't view masturbation as killing although you are killing sperm cells as you made a choice.
killing is obviously a choice, which is why natural death does not count
But by saying killing your sperm cells, you a conflating sperm as a separate entity
is sperm not alive?
Sperm is you
So by killing sperm
Your killing yourself
See where this confuses me?
a fertilized egg is half the mother, half the father. if both agree to kill it, are they not just killing themselves?
I would say not
i know you would, but why
this is very important to the abortion debate
Because a fertilized egg is a completely separate entity beyond the mother and father
how so? it needs to be in the mother, it cannot life without the mother.
is it not part of the mother?
it doesn't even eat on its own
It's not a part of the mother
If it was, it would not naturally come out of the mother
Anyhow but I got to get on the road
Just got off work. Be back in at most an hour.
Can discuss more then.
so then sperm is not part of me, otherwise it would not naturally come out of me. And fair enough.
Oh bummer. I have work and will miss the debate over "when does life start". 😦
Don't worry, you have like 72 hours to get back
@Grenade123 does that mean hair is also not a part of you?
@DrYuriMom can always bring it when you feel like, i'm always interested in when the moral concept of life starts for people, and if can find a balance between the science and the emotion where they align
@JumperCzech i guess? although i don't think hair is alive
Well idk mate
What is your position on the issue, Grenade?
Here's the thing
I think life is not related to the things needed to create it.
Once created its different from anything else
Whether it be a clone or whatever
A clone might have a completely different perspective on life and personality if they had different lives as children
That is how identical twins work, I believe, yes.
The DNA of a fertilized egg is different from that of the mother and father