So by killing sperm

Your killing yourself

See where this confuses me?

a fertilized egg is half the mother, half the father. if both agree to kill it, are they not just killing themselves?

I would say not

i know you would, but why

this is very important to the abortion debate

Because a fertilized egg is a completely separate entity beyond the mother and father

how so? it needs to be in the mother, it cannot life without the mother.

is it not part of the mother?

it doesn't even eat on its own

it gets everything from the mother

It's not a part of the mother

If it was, it would not naturally come out of the mother

Anyhow but I got to get on the road

Just got off work. Be back in at most an hour.

Can discuss more then.

so then sperm is not part of me, otherwise it would not naturally come out of me. And fair enough.

Oh bummer. I have work and will miss the debate over "when does life start". 😦

Don't worry, you have like 72 hours to get back

@Grenade123 does that mean hair is also not a part of you?

@DrYuriMom can always bring it when you feel like, i'm always interested in when the moral concept of life starts for people, and if can find a balance between the science and the emotion where they align

@JumperCzech i guess? although i don't think hair is alive

Well idk mate

What is your position on the issue, Grenade?

Here's the thing

I think life is not related to the things needed to create it.

Once created its different from anything else

Whether it be a clone or whatever

A clone might have a completely different perspective on life and personality if they had different lives as children

That is how identical twins work, I believe, yes.

The DNA of a fertilized egg is different from that of the mother and father

Therefor its human life

Just becuase it requires the mother to get to be self sustaining does not mean it's a part of the mother

By that metric, could I take some of my muscle tissue and rearrange the genetic structure to create a new human life?

An egg and sperm cell does not have DNA that is different from which the cell originates.

@Bookworm probably close to most people here, something to be avoided at all possible but conflicted. Which is why i'm interested in when life that is considered full human starts.

I consider it on conception

"Just becuase it requires the mother to get to be self sustaining does not mean it's a part of the mother"

but that does make it a parasite

Never said it wasn't?

I'm sorry, Grenade, I was asking your position on when life began. What are you talking about when you're saying something is to be avoided if at all possible?