Message from @Grenade123
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The chances are closer to 1/1000000
And agian that really doesn't change my point
if that was the case, then genetic diseases would have a much lower chance of being passed on than they do
Just becuase it can't grow to be old does not mean that the cell is itself dead
but this is all off topic
The cell lives for a time
yes, but thats part of the problem.
So, if you remove a sperm cell or fertilized egg cell from a female, it will not live to 9 months
agreed?
same goes for a zygote, which is like fertilized egg 2.0
now, a fetus could, if you removed it at somewhere around 7 months. it would have low odds, but it could live to 9 months
It wont survive.
not true, premature babies start having a 50% chance of surviving around then i think
Dont really see where your going with this.
not without help but then again neither does a 1 year old
I was answering your question
ah
so it won't survive
not without a female
Still dont see how that means that by outlawing abortion we would be outlawing masturbation?
not saying it would, but i'm not talking about outlawing. Its about what is considered human life, and therefore what is moral to kill and immoral to kill. and why. Its pretty clear why killing in self defense is moral when you don't have an option. most people don't view masturbation as killing although you are killing sperm cells as you made a choice.
killing is obviously a choice, which is why natural death does not count
But by saying killing your sperm cells, you a conflating sperm as a separate entity
is sperm not alive?
Sperm is you
So by killing sperm
Your killing yourself
See where this confuses me?
a fertilized egg is half the mother, half the father. if both agree to kill it, are they not just killing themselves?
I would say not
i know you would, but why
this is very important to the abortion debate
Because a fertilized egg is a completely separate entity beyond the mother and father
how so? it needs to be in the mother, it cannot life without the mother.
is it not part of the mother?
it doesn't even eat on its own
it gets everything from the mother
It's not a part of the mother
If it was, it would not naturally come out of the mother
Anyhow but I got to get on the road
Just got off work. Be back in at most an hour.