I also agree with you on both

The rape thing

Gun ownership is a right

What about the people in the 12th century?

I wouldn't think healthcare is a right

It absolutely is.

Gun ownership isnt a right

The second amendment is not about guns

It's the right to defend yourself that's the right

Gun ownership absolutely is.

The right to bear arms

And no

Arms could be a sword

You've got a lot of misconceptions here, codes.

First off

9th and 10th amendments.

What about them?

The enumeration in the Constitution, of certain rights, shall not be construed to deny or disparage others retained by the people.

Just because it's not listed in the Constitution doesn't mean it's not a right.

That's what the ninth says

Don't let rights be dictated by a piece of paper

Yes and I agree, I'm saying a right generally is something that belongs to you as an individual

Yup

Your life, liberty, etc..

Founding fathers identified three

Libery

Life, liberty, property.

Those are root human rights.

But I think you missed my point

Self-defense? Life.

Pretty sure I explained it poorly

Gun ownership? Property.

Healthcare? Life.

The problem with those is that only one of the 3 you could accomplish without tools

Kidnapping deprives liberty, murder deprives life, theft deprives property.

You cant have a gun without purchasing one

Yes.

But you can defend yourself without a gun

You can't have a printing press without buying one either.

I'm gonna side with codes that those are not rights rye, they are something your rights Grant you.

Yeah that's more what I was trying to explain