Well, yeah, that's not being argued.

What does then revolver

Collective rights are a thing, they just need to be curbed. There's a balance to be had between the individual and the group.

Also yes jej this was all a ploy to keep labour in power, import a state reliant class of voters illegally

Tony Blair did this ultimately

I don't even know what you're getting at

If u act only as individuals then you will be swallowed by a group

If a mass of individuals have the same rights, and are in the same country, that's collective rights

the only way to maintain individual rights is to ensure that the population understands why individual rights are important

As a community.
As a group.

immigrants tend to do what they are told by the host country

By the ones who want to give them stuff

act as individuals working together

If you can guarantee "any one" individuals rights, then everyone has the same rights

At that point it no longer becomes a question of "who's being oppressed" or "who's rights are being violated" but who's got the best idea to lead the country

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Revolver u wot

if they are told their culture is important, they will perpetuate it, if they are told individual rights are paramount, they will advocate for individual rights

Immigrants tend to do what they’re told , no they don’t , not the ones we in the West have been flooded with anyways

its got nothing to do with race or ethnicity

They're perpetuating their culture anyway, though, even in the face of being in a country with individual rights.

Yeah, I'm not sure what's even being argued here. Does the government go out and personally tell one person at a time what rights they have? If they all have the same rights, that's collective rights

I still don't understand

we are telling them that their culture is equally important and not telling them why our culture is important

that is why they don't respect it

We're not allowed to, though, because "all cultures are beautiful."

True , but even if we did lots would not suddenly respect us , we’ve been flooded with the trash and garbage of other cultures

they would if we show them that our success is due to individual rights

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the problem is that our moral justification for rights was traditionally religious

What success , the west has been declining since the 50s

Same time individualism became such a big thing

how are you measuring that

thats because we abandoned the conception of rights 100 years ago

Declining morally , politically , culturally

This debate has suddenly shifted right above my head.

I think I'm gonna get back to my games

America is the result of the enlightenment, the decline of America is the decline of the Enlightenment.

its about philosophy.

phillosophy and ethics

we have lost them

Yes.

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