Message from @WOODY
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you need to understand why individual rights are necessary for life and collective rights means you have no rights.
no they aren't
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might want to specify
nationalism doesn't guarantee your rights
Well, yeah, that's not being argued.
What does then revolver
Collective rights are a thing, they just need to be curbed. There's a balance to be had between the individual and the group.
Also yes jej this was all a ploy to keep labour in power, import a state reliant class of voters illegally
Tony Blair did this ultimately
I don't even know what you're getting at
If u act only as individuals then you will be swallowed by a group
If a mass of individuals have the same rights, and are in the same country, that's collective rights
the only way to maintain individual rights is to ensure that the population understands why individual rights are important
As a community.
As a group.
immigrants tend to do what they are told by the host country
By the ones who want to give them stuff
act as individuals working together
If you can guarantee "any one" individuals rights, then everyone has the same rights
At that point it no longer becomes a question of "who's being oppressed" or "who's rights are being violated" but who's got the best idea to lead the country
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Revolver u wot
if they are told their culture is important, they will perpetuate it, if they are told individual rights are paramount, they will advocate for individual rights
Immigrants tend to do what they’re told , no they don’t , not the ones we in the West have been flooded with anyways
its got nothing to do with race or ethnicity
They're perpetuating their culture anyway, though, even in the face of being in a country with individual rights.
Yeah, I'm not sure what's even being argued here. Does the government go out and personally tell one person at a time what rights they have? If they all have the same rights, that's collective rights
I still don't understand
we are telling them that their culture is equally important and not telling them why our culture is important
that is why they don't respect it
We're not allowed to, though, because "all cultures are beautiful."
True , but even if we did lots would not suddenly respect us , we’ve been flooded with the trash and garbage of other cultures
they would if we show them that our success is due to individual rights
wew
the problem is that our moral justification for rights was traditionally religious
What success , the west has been declining since the 50s
Same time individualism became such a big thing
how are you measuring that
thats because we abandoned the conception of rights 100 years ago
Declining morally , politically , culturally
This debate has suddenly shifted right above my head.
I think I'm gonna get back to my games
America is the result of the enlightenment, the decline of America is the decline of the Enlightenment.