You know, with 'the state' being the source of all the world's problems and all.

Ain't too much of a difference between libertarians and ancaps honestly

At least he didn't mention a fear of roads.

dem rods

I'm OK with ancaps, ideally I am totally there

but I unfortunately know how fucked up humans can be

Yeah, it sounds great and all, but it doesn't take humanity into account. lol

just like, every other ideology, maybe we shouldn't just adopt a "utopia" ideal 🤔

Correction for Tims Video: Dankula was not convicted of a hate crime, but for an improper use of a public electronic communications network - the reason being that the court deemed the video to be "grossly offensive". It is a different law and - in my humble opinion - completely bonkers because the criteria is literally being "grossly offensive" which has absolutely zero legal definition and is an open invitation to be abused. They could literally convict a guy for saying that he does not like tea, as long as he uses the internet to state that.

isn't that the same thing though? he said something the state disagreed with across a medium

its not, no.

On Libertarian vs. Ancaps: I'd say the definitive difference between Ancap and Libertarian is that Ancap wants to see the state dismantled, and Libertarian wants to see the people limit the State, but not eliminate it.

Both see the State as the source of problems. The solutions vary though.

we have -kinda- hate speech laws in germany... you can't deny the holocaust, you can not call for violence against specific people or groups of people... it's pretty clear defined and somewhat similar to what the actual uk hate speech law says... the law that lead to the conviction of dankula has no definition at all - except that is has to use the internet or something similiar.

dankula would have been fine if he had broadcast the video on tv

I'd agree with Falko, it doesn't appear that he was charged with 'Hate Crime'

because its not the video that is wrong... its the use of the internet to publish it

fair enough,

But my point was that regardless if its a hate crime, or public electronic communications crime

His statement is what he was punished for, and they're getting him on a technicality

i did not find what the initial charges where, though

I really think that's why they're taking so long to sentence him

also i think incitement to violence is a crime in any western country, even America

Saying "I hate negro's" is protected
Saying "Lets burn all the negro's alive and rape their wamen" is incitement to violence

they got him on a law that can be used against EVERYONE for saying ANYTHING on the internet

They're not sure exactly how to use it punitively.

jayred, that example is basically the german hate speech law 😄

Have there been instances of people being charged solely with this before?

well yes, but thats incitement to violence, its actively trying to use speech to get action against people
as opposed to using speech to challenge/critique an idea

i think so, yes

but in any case, its a ridiculous law the brits used to make an example of him

It's a massive blow to free speech.

The concept, not the right. They don't expressly have the right.

4 blows in one week if you also consider Lauren Southern, Britney Pettibone and that Generation Identity guy, Martin Selner?, being banned from entering UK

the law is so vague that it basically shuts down free speech via the internet in the uk

Yeah, all of that happening at once, it's REALLY kind of 1984esque

i mean... i was not joking when i said that they can convict you for saying that you dont like tea

That does seem pretty outrageous.

yeah, so its basically a law that nullifies the concept of free speech

Its become "You can say what you want as long as we agree"

That's why Free Speech HAS to include hate speech.

Maybe its britains form of 4D chess?

They're doing this to draw massive attention so the laws get removed?

sure... it is outreagous... which makes my suggestion grossly offensive... see the problem? 😉

Oh, yeah. I saw it. I was very offended by your dislike of tea.

I took it