Message from @n-

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2018-05-09 22:01:21 UTC  

that is enviroment

2018-05-09 22:01:32 UTC  

even with a clear method you can't say, its the scientific method,

You make an assumption (hypothesis)
Test it, and see what comes out
If it correlates with what you expected, and happens every time, you have scientific evidence

2018-05-09 22:01:37 UTC  

I think it's difficult to even tell what environmental factors are important towards that. I remember reading that whether or not a baby is breastfed by their biological mother can have an effect on their IQ, and that this difference is noticeable even if any certain child received breast milk from someone other than their mother

2018-05-09 22:01:49 UTC  

man everything can effect iq

2018-05-09 22:01:52 UTC  

age of the mom

2018-05-09 22:01:59 UTC  

amount of hammers to the face

2018-05-09 22:02:01 UTC  

siblings, quantity and age difference

2018-05-09 22:02:12 UTC  

kindergarden

2018-05-09 22:02:31 UTC  

the idea is that genes provide a maximum, and then enviroment diminished it a lil or a lot

2018-05-09 22:02:35 UTC  

but those are individual values

2018-05-09 22:03:17 UTC  

if you however take a sample of 1000 people, and take the average of their IQ scores, you get an average to work with, and can then set categories

2018-05-09 22:03:17 UTC  

also how do you separate IQ from simply not knowing something, being bored, etc.

2018-05-09 22:03:41 UTC  

you do it by taking larger samples, so you try to eliminate most outlying variables

2018-05-09 22:03:53 UTC  

for example, if I remember right, one of the important qualities of an IQ test is how fast you complete it

2018-05-09 22:04:01 UTC  

depends on the test

2018-05-09 22:04:05 UTC  

could be

2018-05-09 22:04:17 UTC  

there are people who test, who are good at taking tests or who just have that knowledge, like for example if you don't know something just skip it immediately go to the next thing, don't spend 5 years on it

2018-05-09 22:04:21 UTC  

Speed, Answers correct, and the age of the person

2018-05-09 22:04:43 UTC  

myself for example, I'll finish it until I have an answer and I might even check over it if I was unsure

2018-05-09 22:05:41 UTC  

but doing that would make for a lower score, ie. it's more intelligent to just skip it, come back later, then give your best guess rather than trying to figure it out then and there

2018-05-09 22:06:15 UTC  

if you're just there taking a test though, are you really thinking about how to absolutely crush this test into the dirt?

2018-05-09 22:07:05 UTC  

that's just that one aspect. there's other elements, too (which I think have their own ways of being handled). ex. those people who freeze when it comes to taking tests

2018-05-09 22:07:23 UTC  

the data shows that the more intelligent you are the more likely it is you will crush a test

2018-05-09 22:07:35 UTC  

pretty much every competence related task is "g loaded"

2018-05-09 22:08:03 UTC  

which means higher in general intelligence people complete it better/faster

2018-05-09 22:08:17 UTC  

general intelligence is measured with an IQ test

2018-05-09 22:08:46 UTC  

thats why its an intelligence quoefficient

2018-05-09 22:09:11 UTC  

also I wonder things like the level of their general intelligence vs being motivated, or working with things they're intimately familiar with

2018-05-09 22:09:37 UTC  

yes, but this is why you have to take large samples

2018-05-09 22:10:00 UTC  

if 1/10 people are affected by it, then you can still say with 90% confidence the rest aren't

2018-05-09 22:10:30 UTC  

well, I didn't mean that in terms of how it affects general IQ, but rather.. if you accounted for those elements as if they were a separate IQ, what would the differences between those two scores be

2018-05-09 22:10:48 UTC  

per individual, massive

2018-05-09 22:10:59 UTC  

for a sample size, it becomes less significant

2018-05-09 22:11:22 UTC  

the larger your average, the less influence a single outlier has

2018-05-09 22:11:56 UTC  

i mean its the "outlying statistic" argument

If 1 person earns 1,000,000 dollar per month
and 1,000,000 people earn 1 dollar per month,

The average of the 1,000,001 sample you took will be just above 1

2018-05-09 22:14:10 UTC  

this is why sample sizes absolutely matter

2018-05-09 22:14:32 UTC  

cuz if you have a sample of 2 people

1 person earns 1,000,000
1 person earns 0

The "average" person earns 500,000

2018-05-09 22:16:15 UTC  

im off to bed gn

2018-05-09 22:16:24 UTC  

not getting enough sleep decreases IQ!

2018-05-09 22:21:23 UTC  

unless my math is wrong, in your first example the answer would be pretty much 2

2018-05-09 22:22:23 UTC  

well yeah, 1.999998 or something