Message from @n-

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2018-05-09 21:55:20 UTC  

same genes expressed differently in different environs

2018-05-09 21:55:51 UTC  

with some things its like trying to work out a fingerprint by taking an average of lots of people .. you can have a sample size of the whole world - its not going to tell you anything

2018-05-09 21:56:22 UTC  

either you don't know what the word "average" means, or you're simply wrong

2018-05-09 21:56:32 UTC  

i dono, could you predicts finger print patterns based on genetic data of the parents

2018-05-09 21:56:45 UTC  

no

2018-05-09 21:56:45 UTC  

i dono if you can inherit that shit

2018-05-09 21:57:01 UTC  

where else does the construction information come from though

2018-05-09 21:57:07 UTC  

is it cultural?

2018-05-09 21:57:09 UTC  

even identical twins have completely different fingerprints

2018-05-09 21:57:25 UTC  

even with the same DNA

2018-05-09 21:57:33 UTC  

you can still establish an average with that

2018-05-09 21:58:03 UTC  

while IQ is pretty connected to genes, I don't think the differences in race are due to genetics, and that culture plays a large role there. That is because IQ scores have risen in the last 100 years by a lot which shows it's not just a race thing

2018-05-09 21:58:09 UTC  

if it's clear that we "don't know", then wouldn't the best thing to do is to figure out how we could possibly make that correlation?

2018-05-09 21:58:19 UTC  

aye here it is

2018-05-09 21:58:27 UTC  

finger prints are different, but the patterns are similar

2018-05-09 21:58:52 UTC  

yeah whorls loops etc

2018-05-09 21:59:01 UTC  

ha cool

2018-05-09 21:59:06 UTC  

i actually never knew this

2018-05-09 21:59:11 UTC  

personally I think human intelligence is like physical ability. everyone has varying capability, different races have different capabilities on average, some have it in good quality some don't, etc.

2018-05-09 21:59:19 UTC  

both your thumbs are different in finger print too

2018-05-09 21:59:22 UTC  

but who knows for sure until you start looking into it

2018-05-09 21:59:33 UTC  

even though they follow the same genetic code

2018-05-09 21:59:39 UTC  

Wouldn't surprise me one bit if intelligence is bred into/out of family trees.

2018-05-09 21:59:49 UTC  

the best thing to say without a clear method is "I don't know"

2018-05-09 22:00:58 UTC  

Shit is going down between Israel and Syria https://twitter.com/QalaatAlMudiq/status/994333803048062978

2018-05-09 22:01:10 UTC  

you could predict a finger print when it comes to whorls and ridges, based off of the genetic information

2018-05-09 22:01:19 UTC  

not in detail though

2018-05-09 22:01:21 UTC  

that is enviroment

2018-05-09 22:01:32 UTC  

even with a clear method you can't say, its the scientific method,

You make an assumption (hypothesis)
Test it, and see what comes out
If it correlates with what you expected, and happens every time, you have scientific evidence

2018-05-09 22:01:37 UTC  

I think it's difficult to even tell what environmental factors are important towards that. I remember reading that whether or not a baby is breastfed by their biological mother can have an effect on their IQ, and that this difference is noticeable even if any certain child received breast milk from someone other than their mother

2018-05-09 22:01:49 UTC  

man everything can effect iq

2018-05-09 22:01:52 UTC  

age of the mom

2018-05-09 22:01:59 UTC  

amount of hammers to the face

2018-05-09 22:02:01 UTC  

siblings, quantity and age difference

2018-05-09 22:02:12 UTC  

kindergarden

2018-05-09 22:02:31 UTC  

the idea is that genes provide a maximum, and then enviroment diminished it a lil or a lot

2018-05-09 22:02:35 UTC  

but those are individual values

2018-05-09 22:03:17 UTC  

if you however take a sample of 1000 people, and take the average of their IQ scores, you get an average to work with, and can then set categories

2018-05-09 22:03:17 UTC  

also how do you separate IQ from simply not knowing something, being bored, etc.

2018-05-09 22:03:41 UTC  

you do it by taking larger samples, so you try to eliminate most outlying variables

2018-05-09 22:03:53 UTC  

for example, if I remember right, one of the important qualities of an IQ test is how fast you complete it