But that's your original feminism and it's certainly not egalitarian

Well, yes, fine.

That wasn't my point.

Sure, let's move on.

But I will never call myself a feminism, because that is simply not what feminism ever was.

Few things appear fully functional and perfect on the first try

We iteratively improve

That comes off as a bit of a dodge

I do not agree with the conflation with egalitarianism.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XD65wnDGuTg

It's either egalitarian or it isn't, no?

Things here are moving too fast for me to view videos on a laptop :p

So if they fought for unequal rights, unequal treatment, then that's not egalitarian by definition

They fought for the vote

I commend them for that

Right. And to me, neither in theory nor in praxis, feminism was ever about equality. They just introduced the "equality" language when it was politically conveinient.

The vote without the responsibility that came with it

Now we fix that

Without the duty to their nations defense

But that doesn't retroactively change the intent

I will not ascend to this linguistic manipulation, so, sorry, I have to be insistent in rejecting that label for equality.

FIx what?

What rights are women lacking?

@Undead Mockingbird we would equalize or remove SS

Women have more rights than men

Which would equalize that which has been made unequal in another sense

Yes.

But that doesn't change the core issue

The right to be drafted and sent to a sand dune to die

So you want to rescind the right of women to vote now because of the original of it even though women now serve in the military and even have died in active war zones fighting for our country?

I believe Cat meant that we fix that by either removing women's rights or adding to women's responsibilities.

Yes

Wait, what?

Exactly

Equal rights for equal responsibility

I was under the impression that we were discussing Feminism's status as an egalitarian movement

Eliminate the selective service or make women equally responsible to it

I am confused now.

With Suffrage seen as the first issue

Are we talking about feminism or what?

And in which case, feminism was not originally an egalitarian movement