Feminism was originally egalitariamnism

I think if you listen to his argument, you will find a lot to reinforce your stance and move you a little further over.

But that is where I disagree. I do not think feminism was ever egalitarianism, not even the first wave.

What are we defining as "original" feminism?

@Beemann , well I'd say the vote was a great start.

Equal access to state funded education

That was an unequal outcome though

Equal access to military service

And opposed by a majority of women on the basis that they expected it to come with draft eligibility afaik

Early suffragettes were careful to avoid having to incur military service in exchange for voting rights.

The right to apply to any college that accepts federal funds. Not the right to attend, but the right to compete for admission by the same rules.

And those suffragettes in hindsight were wrong

We learn from past errors and move on

But that's your original feminism and it's certainly not egalitarian

Well, yes, fine.

That wasn't my point.

Sure, let's move on.

But I will never call myself a feminism, because that is simply not what feminism ever was.

Few things appear fully functional and perfect on the first try

We iteratively improve

That comes off as a bit of a dodge

I do not agree with the conflation with egalitarianism.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XD65wnDGuTg

It's either egalitarian or it isn't, no?

Things here are moving too fast for me to view videos on a laptop :p

So if they fought for unequal rights, unequal treatment, then that's not egalitarian by definition

They fought for the vote

I commend them for that

Right. And to me, neither in theory nor in praxis, feminism was ever about equality. They just introduced the "equality" language when it was politically conveinient.

The vote without the responsibility that came with it

Now we fix that

Without the duty to their nations defense

But that doesn't retroactively change the intent

I will not ascend to this linguistic manipulation, so, sorry, I have to be insistent in rejecting that label for equality.

FIx what?

What rights are women lacking?

@Undead Mockingbird we would equalize or remove SS

Women have more rights than men

Which would equalize that which has been made unequal in another sense

Yes.

But that doesn't change the core issue