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explain the point

For democracy you have to change the ideological bedrock

https://youtu.be/k12teOokSqM

I’m on your fucking side, I just want to make sure you people can raise actual points when you’re in a serious discussion

@halfthink You know any philosophers that argued for democracy?

If I tried to defend monarchy, I would say that it is a better representation of societal structures and can provide superior mechanisms for selecting a superior leader.

Hobbes

The ur-social unit is the family, with the father at the helm, making decisions for the unit and directing it.

Thomas Hobbes was very much in favor of autocratic governments

As social units grow in size, there still must remain a singular unit at the head, directing it.

This force leads the individuals which comprises the unit, but does not draw authority from it, anymore than a father draws authority from his children.

Rousseau, I think, was a fan of democracy.

Kinda

on small scales

> If I must be a slave, I would rather be privately owned than publicly owned
lmao
US citizens pay tax on global income, whether connected to US or not
the only other country that taxes the slaves globally is the Philippines, iirc

there is, indeed, a case to be made that we are publicly owned slaves

Lol

Not the muh wage slave argument

in most cases, the tax liability applies only within a geographic jurisdiction

for US and PH citizens, the liability attaches to the person

yeah, that's a problem

that is not the wage slave argument at all

i wouldnt mind being a slave as long as i got food and a place to sleep its not like thats much different from what some people have nowadays

citizen = serf

No representation without taxation.

perhaps I am not familiar with the wage slave argument

what is it?

its the commie labour theory of value argument

not the libertarian tax is theft argument

oh, right - yeah, this is not the wage slave argument

and it's not really the taxation is theft argument, either
it's more a proof that we are chattel property of the state argument

Except tax doesnt constantly impose force and you can still make chooses of your own will on a far much larger scale

Communism is just a scuffed form of ancapitalism, change my mind

Which is just tax is theft, taken to its edgyest extreme.

tax only employs force when necessary
when seizing property to auction, for example