Message from @Grenade123
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o is that the actual discussion?
toll roads are assinine
there are a few things you should try to keep free to average citizen as possible, and if that means paying taxes for better roads then thats one of them
i mean you can look at state of american healthcare in both its ups and downs as a analogy. surely some private roads would be the best roads in the world but if majority of people can't afford to use them its a even more dire circumstance economically then what happens when people can't pay for medicine
if you can't easily commute you're basically slapping commerce in the face
Private toll roads would be horrible. We would get shit like we see on Twitter where people are banned from parts of the road because the property owner doesn't like their politics. Or because they hate the sports team and want to block them from making it to the game.
And gov run toll roads only work if the system is fully automated. No workers. No stopping. No bullshit looking for $0.50 or paying for it with your CC every fucking time you enter or leave. So basically, just the Texas Tollway system. Get a bill in the mail or an automated CC charge. This is 2019. Get with the fucking times you shitty New York unions.
wouldn't it make more sense to charge people based on the miles they drove on the road
And would those miles be counted by offline machine (meaning that it can be hacked and have numbers manually reduced) or would you have government track your car's location 24/7?
neither
use the fuel
not exact
just use the average mpg of the most comment vehicles
What fuel?
Different cars use different fuels
all of them
You know some cars run partly on solar panels, right?
cars need fuel, you put fueling stations alone roads
not yet they can't
and they don't work at night
I said partly...
yes, and i said use the average
for government its a tax, for private roads they just own the fuel stations
not perfect but nothing is
I think it's unsustainable, because it would exponentially drive people towards different ways of powering their car
how so? the roads are paid for one way or another
Well for example buy homecharger for new model of your electric car
this money isn't coming out of anywhere really new
most can't get very far. but if its the state then you tax their homecharger
for private roads well then they would need to put up tolls
they replaced tolls in my state with gas tax because of a horrible accident at a toll booth
obviously this was before the current high speed cashless systems
also they are trying to put back in tolls without removing the gas tax because they need to "repair the roads"
something they only need to do because they raided the gas tax fund
I think we can all agree road tolls are dumb
It just makes traveling roads slower, and goal is (or should be for sane people) to make it so people spend less time in traffic
alternatively, if people are going electric, you can put a tax on electrical usage, for the private sector well, they need to get money somehow, tolls are the most logical, or they need to bar EC vehicles that can be charged at home. Although EC still has to come a ways to have the needed range
less time in traffic means either less vehicles or more road
more road has a space issue, less vehicles has a logistics issue
Elon is trying to go the more road route by decreasing tunnel building cost
No, I just said that tolls are causing more time in traffic
public transport is expensive out of high destiny areas, part of the reason it doesn't work well in the US compared to Europe.