i mean you can look at state of american healthcare in both its ups and downs as a analogy. surely some private roads would be the best roads in the world but if majority of people can't afford to use them its a even more dire circumstance economically then what happens when people can't pay for medicine

if you can't easily commute you're basically slapping commerce in the face

Private toll roads would be horrible. We would get shit like we see on Twitter where people are banned from parts of the road because the property owner doesn't like their politics. Or because they hate the sports team and want to block them from making it to the game.

And gov run toll roads only work if the system is fully automated. No workers. No stopping. No bullshit looking for $0.50 or paying for it with your CC every fucking time you enter or leave. So basically, just the Texas Tollway system. Get a bill in the mail or an automated CC charge. This is 2019. Get with the fucking times you shitty New York unions.

wouldn't it make more sense to charge people based on the miles they drove on the road

And would those miles be counted by offline machine (meaning that it can be hacked and have numbers manually reduced) or would you have government track your car's location 24/7?

neither

use the fuel

not exact

just use the average mpg of the most comment vehicles

What fuel?
Different cars use different fuels

all of them

You know some cars run partly on solar panels, right?

cars need fuel, you put fueling stations alone roads

not yet they can't

and they don't work at night

I said partly...

yes, and i said use the average

more fuel efficient, more cost you put on the fuel to fix the roads.

for government its a tax, for private roads they just own the fuel stations

not perfect but nothing is

I think it's unsustainable, because it would exponentially drive people towards different ways of powering their car

how so? the roads are paid for one way or another

Well for example buy homecharger for new model of your electric car

this money isn't coming out of anywhere really new

most can't get very far. but if its the state then you tax their homecharger

for private roads well then they would need to put up tolls

they replaced tolls in my state with gas tax because of a horrible accident at a toll booth

obviously this was before the current high speed cashless systems

also they are trying to put back in tolls without removing the gas tax because they need to "repair the roads"

something they only need to do because they raided the gas tax fund

I think we can all agree road tolls are dumb

It just makes traveling roads slower, and goal is (or should be for sane people) to make it so people spend less time in traffic

alternatively, if people are going electric, you can put a tax on electrical usage, for the private sector well, they need to get money somehow, tolls are the most logical, or they need to bar EC vehicles that can be charged at home. Although EC still has to come a ways to have the needed range

less time in traffic means either less vehicles or more road

more road has a space issue, less vehicles has a logistics issue

Elon is trying to go the more road route by decreasing tunnel building cost

No, I just said that tolls are causing more time in traffic

public transport is expensive out of high destiny areas, part of the reason it doesn't work well in the US compared to Europe.

But Ill stop talking to you here, since I dislike talking past each other

cashless ones don't

new toll for the bridge i cross to go visit my parents doesn't require an electronic tag or slowing down at all