Message from @Dr.Wol
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they might contribute more, but they're not a "better human"
I used an example of someone who lived longer than was projected, who contributed massively to society etc because it's a decent barometer of your adherence
again, he didn't get affected at birth
it wasn't until he was in his 20's that he started slowing down
On the other side of the argument hitlers parents wanted an abortion but didn’t end up getting it.
Trying to judge someone that early on is a bad basis for an argument.
It’s all hypotheticals.
lets face it,
If Stephen Hawking was affected at birth, he couldn't go get schooled properly, he wouldn't have been able to do his things
He wouldn't BE the scientist he became
he'd just be another person, suffering, but he wouldn't have his status and wealth to be sustained
Nice conjecture
thats not a conjecture, he simply wouldn't have his free time to become the person he turned out to be
There are plenty of people who are born with or quickly develop a disability, and considering the fact that they haven't all decided to check out, I'd say they find living preferable
manageable
thats human instinct
You don't think they'd rather be free if they could?
anyhow i gotta go eat, so i'll be back in a bit
It's conjecture because you're ultimately suggesting the key factor in his education was him not being disabled lol
And free from their disability? Sure. "Free" from life? No
You only get one shot my dude. There's no "reroll"
lol... how is this possible?? https://twitter.com/purbrooktony/status/1019483720569548801?s=20
clearly hes had some injections or something 😛
Nah man, all natty
ON THE NATCH
and no, i wasn't suggesting the key factor was him being disabled,
I'm saying the lack of his disability at the time allowed him to strive that far quick enough to get somewhere before it took its toll on his body
He wouldn't be as renouned
As for the free of their disability, you're lumping disabilities with debilitation now
They find living preferable because they're not debilitated enough and have come to terms with it
"Not debilitated enough" some of these people have no ability to move their limbs lol
Some of these people will die by 30
yes, and those people are wholey dependent on someone else
Dependent in a physical sense yes, but not necessarily emotional or financial
financial too then,
Someone else has to pay for it
But this argument that an outside force should decide when a life shouldn't occur based on suffering sounds an awful lot like utilitarian thinking to me
Maybe they have paid for it. There are nigh infinite ways to make money
thats after someone experienced life
We're talking before they were even born
~~Oh god he's got a bigger chest then me~~
Well children have to be supported in all those ways by their parents already
Financially, physically, emotionally
yes, with the goal of making them self-sustaining
a person who can't move from birth, can't do that
A person who can't move from birth can't make money from financial transactions?
I wasn't aware you had to use your hands to make money in the modern era
how will they make the transaction?
Digitally. You know there are quadriplegics who play video games right?
and how do they do that, if they can't move?
You have a face. It can move
That's the simple explanation