besides why just stick to great scientists?

Why not the commoner? what makes a great scientist a better human being?

they might contribute more, but they're not a "better human"

I used an example of someone who lived longer than was projected, who contributed massively to society etc because it's a decent barometer of your adherence

again, he didn't get affected at birth

it wasn't until he was in his 20's that he started slowing down

On the other side of the argument hitlers parents wanted an abortion but didn’t end up getting it.

Trying to judge someone that early on is a bad basis for an argument.

It’s all hypotheticals.

lets face it,
If Stephen Hawking was affected at birth, he couldn't go get schooled properly, he wouldn't have been able to do his things

He wouldn't BE the scientist he became

he'd just be another person, suffering, but he wouldn't have his status and wealth to be sustained

Nice conjecture

thats not a conjecture, he simply wouldn't have his free time to become the person he turned out to be

There are plenty of people who are born with or quickly develop a disability, and considering the fact that they haven't all decided to check out, I'd say they find living preferable

manageable

thats human instinct

You don't think they'd rather be free if they could?

anyhow i gotta go eat, so i'll be back in a bit

It's conjecture because you're ultimately suggesting the key factor in his education was him not being disabled lol
And free from their disability? Sure. "Free" from life? No

You only get one shot my dude. There's no "reroll"

lol... how is this possible?? https://twitter.com/purbrooktony/status/1019483720569548801?s=20

clearly hes had some injections or something 😛

Nah man, all natty

ON THE NATCH

and no, i wasn't suggesting the key factor was him being disabled,

I'm saying the lack of his disability at the time allowed him to strive that far quick enough to get somewhere before it took its toll on his body

He wouldn't be as renouned

As for the free of their disability, you're lumping disabilities with debilitation now
They find living preferable because they're not debilitated enough and have come to terms with it

"Not debilitated enough" some of these people have no ability to move their limbs lol

Some of these people will die by 30

yes, and those people are wholey dependent on someone else

Dependent in a physical sense yes, but not necessarily emotional or financial

financial too then,

Someone else has to pay for it

But this argument that an outside force should decide when a life shouldn't occur based on suffering sounds an awful lot like utilitarian thinking to me

Maybe they have paid for it. There are nigh infinite ways to make money

thats after someone experienced life

We're talking before they were even born

~~Oh god he's got a bigger chest then me~~

Well children have to be supported in all those ways by their parents already

Financially, physically, emotionally

yes, with the goal of making them self-sustaining

a person who can't move from birth, can't do that

A person who can't move from birth can't make money from financial transactions?

I wasn't aware you had to use your hands to make money in the modern era

how will they make the transaction?

Digitally. You know there are quadriplegics who play video games right?

and how do they do that, if they can't move?

You have a face. It can move