Message from @Dr.Wol
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because:
A. this child will be in need of help their whole life, and i dont want to pay for someone elses lack of judgment
and
B. This child will not have a happy life
so make a choice
Either do it on your own time/money
Or don't bother me about it
Hold on, how are we defining debilitating?
debilitating as in, debilitating
And should Stephen Hawking have been aborted then? In your ideal state?
I dont think he's saying laws should force abortions
Stephen Hawking didn't start debilitated at birth
I think he's saying that he'd prefer if people with (x) wouldnt be born/be aborted
That's my impression anyways
Right but in an instance where you could detect such a debilitation before birth
pop 'em
or pay for it at your own expense
@Scarlet I'm asking specifically about the value judgement, not legal issues
>it's okay to kill one of the greatest scientists of our time because I don't like the welfare state
other scientists came before him, and many will follow
humans are after all a cheap resource
As a society, we're probably better off with as few crippled or debilitated people as possible. But i wouldnt be able to tell somebody, nor would i think it'd be right to tell somebody that they should abort their child for this reason.
besides why just stick to great scientists?
Why not the commoner? what makes a great scientist a better human being?
they might contribute more, but they're not a "better human"
I used an example of someone who lived longer than was projected, who contributed massively to society etc because it's a decent barometer of your adherence
it wasn't until he was in his 20's that he started slowing down
On the other side of the argument hitlers parents wanted an abortion but didn’t end up getting it.
Trying to judge someone that early on is a bad basis for an argument.
It’s all hypotheticals.
lets face it,
If Stephen Hawking was affected at birth, he couldn't go get schooled properly, he wouldn't have been able to do his things
He wouldn't BE the scientist he became
he'd just be another person, suffering, but he wouldn't have his status and wealth to be sustained
Nice conjecture
thats not a conjecture, he simply wouldn't have his free time to become the person he turned out to be
There are plenty of people who are born with or quickly develop a disability, and considering the fact that they haven't all decided to check out, I'd say they find living preferable
manageable
thats human instinct
You don't think they'd rather be free if they could?
anyhow i gotta go eat, so i'll be back in a bit
It's conjecture because you're ultimately suggesting the key factor in his education was him not being disabled lol
And free from their disability? Sure. "Free" from life? No
You only get one shot my dude. There's no "reroll"
lol... how is this possible?? https://twitter.com/purbrooktony/status/1019483720569548801?s=20
clearly hes had some injections or something 😛
Nah man, all natty
ON THE NATCH
and no, i wasn't suggesting the key factor was him being disabled,
I'm saying the lack of his disability at the time allowed him to strive that far quick enough to get somewhere before it took its toll on his body
He wouldn't be as renouned
As for the free of their disability, you're lumping disabilities with debilitation now
They find living preferable because they're not debilitated enough and have come to terms with it
"Not debilitated enough" some of these people have no ability to move their limbs lol
Some of these people will die by 30