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@DM ForKindWords (Awooo Gang) why you filthy nigger

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Time to `A S S E M B L E`

The enemy is upon us

Cia niggers at every corner

Unfortunately any platform that's owned by judens are subject to free speech restriction

Lol I wish

I'll go back to bbm

It's just so suspect all this bullshit happening before voting

@Coe time to get your nigger ass up

It's more of a state of being than the color of your skin

Niggers are just overwhelmingly black

Dirty smelly loud uneducated foolish

And for that I am thankful

Go where you small sooty spook Sambo?

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Niggers assemble

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Keep that nigger shit OUTTA here

Ok?

@raqdog you realize niggers are part of the problem yes

Lol it is not physically possible to eradicate scarcity. Do you live in an infinite universe?

What kind of bullshit is that

@Leiro レイロ how well the medicine industry and education do under capitalism?

lol we have literally the most advanced facilities in the entire world

the best trained physicians

and the best universities bar non

that is why people from all over the world send their kids to study here and patients are sent here for special treatment

not to mention out of the top 20 most advanced hospitals literally *fifteen* are American

Vampire OriToday at 8:37 AM
we have seen "how well" the education and medicine industry does in the USA under capitalism

objectively wrong

they both have done very well under capitalism

you realize historical materialism isnt an airtight theory

there are many criticisms to it

lmao soviet union literally played catch up the entire cold war

even when they tried to copy our technologies they couldnt match up

they simply could not allocate resources efficiently at all

was it because the "intellectual" bolsheviks killed off everyone useful?

seems normal for communist revolutions

and yet, the ussr collapsed after hundreds of millions of deaths and plunged that region into economic decay that remains today

yeah i think marxists conveniently eliminate the human condition in their laboratory-safe conditions

"We may summarize the Marxian doctrine in this way: In the beginning there are the 'material productive forces', i.e., the technological equipment of human productive efforts, the tools and machines. No question concerning their origin is permitted; they are, that is all; we must assume that they are dropped from heaven."

@Leiro レイロ what are you then

historical materialism doesnt prove or mean anything

read Karl Popper if you still believe in historical materialism or historicism

how do you tread the line between socialism and invidiual liberty in democratic socialism

its like an oxymoron

in a democratic socialist society they prioritize the authority of the bureaucracy over individual rights

that is literally anti democratic

you said youre a democratic socialist though...

and you abandon individual authority for a more centralized bureaucracy (even if its filled with "workers") you are still sacrificing personal autonomy

im just pointing out that the term is completely oxymoronic

yes because you have representatives representing the wants of a collective

lol

so wait youre a socialist now?

are you against markets completely?

lol democratic socialism advocates for state intervention to address social inequalities and state interventions aimed at suppressing the economic contradictions of capitalism

you remove power from the individual when you afford more power to a centralized bureaucracy lol

central planning has already been tried though

and it cannot compete with a price based market economy

prices are the most direct and efficient way resources can be allocated

state intervention exists by way of democratic socialism. you even said this is a vehicle to attain "true socialism"

there will always be state intervention under these conditions

thats nice we have socialists that want to engage in debate. its sorta sad thought itll probably never work out

i mean if literally only technology is the barrier to full on socialism why hasnt any other coutnry done it?

if its so clear?

nordic model still employs markets. china has large privately own sectors

Cosma Shalizi has a good essay on why supercomputers wont be the only solution to figuring out the economic calculation problem

immense amounts of waste

[citation needed]

http://crookedtimber.org/2012/05/30/in-soviet-union-optimization-problem-solves-you/#equilibrium

So far as our current knowledge goes, no. Computing optimal prices turns out to have the same complexity as computing the optimal plan itself

this was written in 2012 by a statistics and computer science professor at Carnegie Mellon

The computational complexity formula I quoted above already allows for only needing to come close to the optimum. Worse, the complexity depends only very slowly, logarithmically, on the approximation to the optimum, so accepting a bit more slop buys us only a very slight savings in computation time. (The optimistic spin is that if we can do the calculations at all, we can come quite close to the optimum.) This route is blocked.

yeah maybe in a century when a supercomputer is able to calculate for every single nuance, every single preference then maybe socialism will be possible

but just because a computer program can optimize the most efficient use of resources doesnt automatically mean thats what the market desires

theres a clear disconnect

The innumerable living participants in the economy, state and private, collective and individual, must serve notice of their needs and of their relative strength not only through the statistical determinations of plan commissions but by the direct pressure of supply and demand. The plan is checked and, to a considerable degree, realized through the market.

-Trotsky

quantum computing today is not capable of allocating resources efficiently though

except computer chips and supercomputers are already being designed by multiple firms and we are still decades away from a computer that *theoretically* can perfectly allocate resources

and supply and demand are literally market forces. so how would your system "still work under supply and demand" but "not under a market"