the transition to socialism is inevitable, no matter what the timescale is.

it's any ideology, like feudalism and capitalism, capitalism would fall when the circumstances call for it.

Cosma Shalizi has a good essay on why supercomputers wont be the only solution to figuring out the economic calculation problem

Well about this economic calculation, yes, I shall explain more about it

so in a capitalist society, there are free markets

in a hypothetical socialist economy, its done by Central planning.

computers would evaluate and input and output data, and thus relevant amounts of production is allocated to each sector of industry.

the free market, however successful, operates on the principles of profit and produces immense amounts of waste.

immense amounts of waste

[citation needed]

what citation lol?

http://crookedtimber.org/2012/05/30/in-soviet-union-optimization-problem-solves-you/#equilibrium

So far as our current knowledge goes, no. Computing optimal prices turns out to have the same complexity as computing the optimal plan itself

Well, as I said, quantum computing nor linear programming existed during the time of the Soviet Union powerful enough to calculate economic and macroeconomic functions on a national level at that time.

this was written in 2012 by a statistics and computer science professor at Carnegie Mellon

The computational complexity formula I quoted above already allows for only needing to come close to the optimum. Worse, the complexity depends only very slowly, logarithmically, on the approximation to the optimum, so accepting a bit more slop buys us only a very slight savings in computation time. (The optimistic spin is that if we can do the calculations at all, we can come quite close to the optimum.) This route is blocked.

yeah maybe in a century when a supercomputer is able to calculate for every single nuance, every single preference then maybe socialism will be possible

calculation_debate.pdf

yes, that's why I said quantum computing makes it very possible

this pdf shows how it can be achieved through supercomputers

but just because a computer program can optimize the most efficient use of resources doesnt automatically mean thats what the market desires

theres a clear disconnect

there would be no market under central planning

it still works under supply and demand

but not under a market

The innumerable living participants in the economy, state and private, collective and individual, must serve notice of their needs and of their relative strength not only through the statistical determinations of plan commissions but by the direct pressure of supply and demand. The plan is checked and, to a considerable degree, realized through the market.

-Trotsky

did they have computers in 1924?

obviously he didn't forsee computers.

that's like asking a man of the 60s to expect what's the Internet

quantum computing today is not capable of allocating resources efficiently though

that's why the technology should be worked upon and improved on

it's still at its infancy

but linear programming is a given

technology has created new kinds of democracy, socialism and other economic concepts unbeknownst to a man couple of decades ago

so it should be worked upon, until proven superior to market forces

so what I'm saying is that, when the general populace becomes educated about socialism and becomes class conscious, it will be the final nail on the coffin for capitalism

except computer chips and supercomputers are already being designed by multiple firms and we are still decades away from a computer that *theoretically* can perfectly allocate resources

I think better education drives people away from socialism

Interesting to think that the computing solution is likely going to be brought about by a capitalist society

and supply and demand are literally market forces. so how would your system "still work under supply and demand" but "not under a market"

That's like predicting the weather more than a few days out