Message from @Egoy
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there is no "top" in a socialist society, its democracy at its highest.
The benevolent leader you describe does not climb that hierarchy. And when he does he gets killed
it's liquid democracy
Even worse
That's probably even worse. Now we are talking about the 2 wolves voting to eat the 1 sheep
how do you tread the line between socialism and invidiual liberty in democratic socialism
its like an oxymoron
Democratic socialism is achieving socialism through democratic means, I haven't researched much on libertarian socialism
in a democratic socialist society they prioritize the authority of the bureaucracy over individual rights
that is literally anti democratic
what no, a bureaucracy under socialism is made up by workers, and for the workers. if your referring to to the state under socialism, it's made up of people, and will be under the whip of the people. As I said, I don't know much about social liberties or libertarian socialism in general.
you said youre a democratic socialist though...
Democratic socialism, as I said, is achieving socialism through democratic means. There's a whole new catered to that, called libertarian socialism
and you abandon individual authority for a more centralized bureaucracy (even if its filled with "workers") you are still sacrificing personal autonomy
im just pointing out that the term is completely oxymoronic
lol, socialism is about making decisions democratically and decided on by every worker, that suppresses personal and individual autonomy?
your argument is about libertarian socialism, I don't know much about libertarian socialism
yes because you have representatives representing the wants of a collective
lol
there are no representatives lol
it's direct democracy at its best
yes, I am now, I used to be a rightist
and believed in capitalism
are you against markets completely?
no
markets are still needed
until central planning is more superior than market forces
lol democratic socialism advocates for state intervention to address social inequalities and state interventions aimed at suppressing the economic contradictions of capitalism
you remove power from the individual when you afford more power to a centralized bureaucracy lol
central planning has already been tried though
and it cannot compete with a price based market economy
why would there be state intevantion under socialism? there are no representatives under socialism, it's direct democracy at its purest.
prices are the most direct and efficient way resources can be allocated
state intervention exists by way of democratic socialism. you even said this is a vehicle to attain "true socialism"
there will always be state intervention under these conditions
Well under socialism, "market forces" would be allocated by supercomputers, read Paul cockshott for that, he described it when he published papers about the socialist calculation debate
@Egoy under socialism, the state is under the whip of the people lol, so "state intervention" would be a baseless argument tbh, when the workers own the means of production
with 21st century technology, central planning is actually feasable (to a extent)
Well, at least you understand the basic concepts of socialism