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2018-10-28 18:59:07 UTC [Centipede Central #general]  

How come democrats don't understand how racist, misogynistic and xenophobic they are?

2018-10-28 19:03:55 UTC [Centipede Central #general]  

Sometimes I have to explain to people who are openly racist that they should be voting democrat. If they really hate blacks then vote democrat...

2018-10-28 21:08:29 UTC [Centipede Central #general]  

Exactly

2018-10-29 02:43:01 UTC [Centipede Central #general]  

@trash liberals or democrats have a higher IQ on average than conservatives.

2018-10-29 02:43:40 UTC [Centipede Central #general]  

But I've seen it divided up like this before where people have studied it:

2018-10-29 02:44:35 UTC [Centipede Central #general]  

Social conservative < liberal < libertarian (economic conservative)

2018-10-29 02:46:31 UTC [Centipede Central #general]  

Social conservatives have the lowest IQs, and conservatives who are more opinionated about deregulation and the economy (basically they are libertarians) have the highest IQs

2018-10-29 02:52:09 UTC [Centipede Central #general]  

Yeah, let's just populate a bunch of different planets and test out all these political models

2018-10-29 02:55:18 UTC [Centipede Central #general]  

Socialism probably works well in space and in hostile environments, where the people selected for the missions don't sap all the life and resources out of their colleagues. It will take a few generations before it falls apart

2018-10-29 11:33:34 UTC [Centipede Central #general]  

@Silkiri Isolating a lot of high functioning individuals from earth and sending them to Mars would eventually result in a high functioning society, where the environment is so hostile that you have to be extremely clever to exist their. I dunno what kind of culture they would develop there. I do think socialism works well when everyone starts off nearly equal in competence and ability though. So if socialism would work anywhere, mars would be an ideal condition. Mainly because they aren't going to send a bunch of morons.

2018-10-29 11:36:53 UTC [Centipede Central #general]  

@THE-BRIAN 10% of the population falls below an IQ and competence that allows them to be effective at even the most basic jobs. Not only can they not perform very menial task, they in all likelihood would cause more problems than solve anything. Simply giving these people money to help them is not a good solution. And what about drug addicts? Handing money to someone with a really bad drug addiction is basically killing them.

2018-10-29 11:41:14 UTC [Centipede Central #general]  

Also, crime rates in areas where everyone is poor are low. Areas where there is a disparage of wealth, lots of poor and lots of wealthy, are where crime rates are highest. So being poor does not necessarily mean there will be crime. It's the introduction of wealth or money into poor neighborhoods that increases crime.

2018-10-29 12:07:53 UTC [Centipede Central #general]  

Equal outcome

2018-10-29 12:08:37 UTC [Centipede Central #general]  

Right, you can have socialism even if there are different abilities. But it doesn't work out that well

2018-10-29 12:10:27 UTC [Centipede Central #general]  

You are talking about equal opportunity now

2018-10-29 12:10:57 UTC [Centipede Central #general]  

Egalitarian societies advocate [email protected], not outcome

2018-10-29 12:11:17 UTC [Centipede Central #general]  

Socialist societies advocate equal outcome

2018-10-29 12:11:57 UTC [Centipede Central #general]  

You asked me if I knew what socialism is, and I said "equal outcome"

2018-10-29 12:12:13 UTC [Centipede Central #general]  

And then you said no

2018-10-29 12:12:37 UTC [Centipede Central #general]  

Or at least that's what it seemed

2018-10-29 12:14:45 UTC [Centipede Central #general]  

What's snlt?

2018-10-29 12:17:32 UTC [Centipede Central #general]  

So you are referring to socialism as equal access to education, jobs and medicine?

2018-10-29 12:19:04 UTC [Centipede Central #general]  

Ok but what ethnic group currently out performs all others in academia?

2018-10-29 12:19:49 UTC [Centipede Central #general]  

Because it's important, because this group isn't given equal access because of their ethnicity

2018-10-29 12:20:15 UTC [Centipede Central #general]  

And they are actually thriving even more than those that are given better access because of their ethnicity

2018-10-29 12:21:02 UTC [Centipede Central #general]  

By subsidizing people's education with tax dollars?

2018-10-29 12:22:15 UTC [Centipede Central #general]  

Asians are thriving in academia and they need to out perform other ethnic groups in test scores and now they need to take personality test too

2018-10-29 12:22:58 UTC [Centipede Central #general]  

We shouldn't have to. The point is it could be divided anyway. Poor, rich

2018-10-29 12:23:01 UTC [Centipede Central #general]  

Black white

2018-10-29 12:23:10 UTC [Centipede Central #general]  

Ugly, good looking

2018-10-29 12:23:24 UTC [Centipede Central #general]  

It just happens to be divided by ethnicity

2018-10-29 12:23:55 UTC [Centipede Central #general]  

What is most uneducated group in American society?

2018-10-29 12:24:14 UTC [Centipede Central #general]  

Well the way you change your class is through education

2018-10-29 12:24:39 UTC [Centipede Central #general]  

Because it's a clearly demarcated group.

2018-10-29 12:25:21 UTC [Centipede Central #general]  

I see you mention profit again, why shouldn't someone profit off of it?

2018-10-29 12:25:32 UTC [Centipede Central #general]  

Someone is profiting when tax dollars are used.

2018-10-29 12:26:23 UTC [Centipede Central #general]  

If anything, they profit even more, reduce their efficiency, because they are absolved of risk due to government backing, and they students will be worse off

2018-10-29 12:27:55 UTC [Centipede Central #general]  

Water isn't typically owned by the government. And when it is (read cadillac desert) it is a disaster.

2018-10-29 12:29:15 UTC [Centipede Central #general]  

If the institution needs to put perform its competitors, it will continue to improve itself. If it's told it will be subsidizing whether or not it's good at what it does or not, they are absolved of risk and absolved of needing to out perform eachother

2018-10-29 12:29:47 UTC [Centipede Central #general]  

Yeah but you are talking about a country that idolizes the United States

2018-10-29 12:30:50 UTC [Centipede Central #general]  

They collapsed during the Cold War because of communism, it did not incentivize their factories and government backed industries to do anything but pass preplanned inspections

2018-10-29 12:31:37 UTC [Centipede Central #general]  

They would get everything working for a brief period during inspections and then let it all fail the rest of the time. Human beings are incentive driven creatures. We do the bare minimum to keep up

2018-10-29 12:32:09 UTC [Centipede Central #general]  

It's good to think about education like a right, I like that

2018-10-29 12:32:37 UTC [Centipede Central #general]  

But it is like a commodity, it's an investment in yourself

2018-10-29 12:33:21 UTC [Centipede Central #general]  

I think the only thing that kept the Soviet Union going so long was incentive to compete with America

2018-10-29 12:33:30 UTC [Centipede Central #general]  

They were so heavily propagandized

2018-10-29 12:34:08 UTC [Centipede Central #general]  

They didn't hate us, they envied us

2018-10-29 12:34:24 UTC [Centipede Central #general]  

They wanted to be as successful

2018-10-29 12:35:30 UTC [Centipede Central #general]  

Yeah, it's a good business model, I just don't think it's as good as capitalism

2018-10-29 12:36:00 UTC [Centipede Central #general]  

Capitalism is a good business model because it will quickly process and expunge other business models that don't work

2018-10-29 12:37:17 UTC [Centipede Central #general]  

Oh I see, well I would still think that medicine and education should be allowed to function under a capitalist umbrella

2018-10-29 12:37:59 UTC [Centipede Central #general]  

Student loan debts are out of control currently because the education systems are socializing

2018-10-29 12:38:38 UTC [Centipede Central #general]  

Government subsidizing and risk absolving

2018-10-29 12:38:53 UTC [Centipede Central #general]  

Affirmative action

2018-10-29 12:39:39 UTC [Centipede Central #general]  

Programs that try provide access to education for those that can't obtain it otherwise are doing the exact opposite of what was intended.

2018-10-29 12:43:42 UTC [Centipede Central #general]  

The tuition rises because of government involvement. I don't think more government involvement would help. Schools need to demonstrate that they are in need of the money and this leads to Soviet Union type mess where you start to have teachers faking test score, attendance records, and just ruining the kids

2018-10-29 12:44:24 UTC [Centipede Central #general]  

The incentive needs to lie on just being a good school because the school down the street is also trying to be the best

2018-10-29 12:45:22 UTC [Centipede Central #general]  

The incentive shouldn't be, pass 50
Kids with an A and get a bonus at the end of the year. Or demonstrate that all your kids can pass this standardized test and the government will give you a grant for next year

2018-10-29 12:46:15 UTC [Centipede Central #general]  

The kids get passed along in this process, failing as they go, thinking that something is wrong with the system now and not them

2018-10-29 12:46:41 UTC [Centipede Central #general]  

But they aren't taught it's the school system, they are told its republicans or it's their race, or their class

2018-10-29 12:48:00 UTC [Centipede Central #general]  

Ok, the soviets were smart. But the problem is, they were smart about the wrong things when they became adults.

2018-10-29 12:49:18 UTC [Centipede Central #general]  

I'd say the typical Soviet Union citizen was not incentivized enough to contribute anything worth while

2018-10-29 12:49:54 UTC [Centipede Central #general]  

Take a distribution of Americans and soviets and yes, you will have some high performing and low performing individuals on as outliers

2018-10-29 12:50:13 UTC [Centipede Central #general]  

The majority of the population though needs incentive to produce

2018-10-29 12:50:35 UTC [Centipede Central #general]  

I think it's all about incentive

2018-10-29 12:51:03 UTC [Centipede Central #general]  

Think about it like this, this is a bit of a rabbit hole:

2018-10-29 12:52:31 UTC [Centipede Central #general]  

In the effort to make an artificially intelligent robot. The hardest hurdle to first overcome is to get the machine to even recognize objects

2018-10-29 12:52:57 UTC [Centipede Central #general]  

The whole world is just one big object to the machine, it can't distinguish anything

2018-10-29 12:53:58 UTC [Centipede Central #general]  

Because first, before it can distinguish an object, it needs to filter out what's not important

2018-10-29 12:54:50 UTC [Centipede Central #general]  

And similar to this the way AI is being constructed, the majority of our circuitry is not actually reading what's going on in the world, it's trying to filter it out

2018-10-29 12:56:21 UTC [Centipede Central #general]  

These filters mean that we have to have a goal in mind to even make sense of the world when we get out of bed. For instance, you don't see the world completely when you hop out of bed, you'd go insane and wouldn't even be able to move. All you see are your slippers and an alarm clock

2018-10-29 12:57:21 UTC [Centipede Central #general]  

It's a bit of a rabbits hole like I said, but if you follow this chain of logic a bit more, you realize how goal oriented someone needs to be to function at all.

2018-10-29 12:58:41 UTC [Centipede Central #general]  

Goal oriented may not translate completely to incentive. But we build a whole narrative for ourselves based on these models we choose, socialism or capitalism

2018-10-29 12:59:52 UTC [Centipede Central #general]  

Yeah explain that. You get snlt and it's like a currency?

2018-10-29 13:02:34 UTC [Centipede Central #general]  

I thought this version of socialism only applied to education and medicine. How do you rope workers into it?

2018-10-29 13:04:57 UTC [Centipede Central #general]  

Yeah I don't get it. Is it like social security?

2018-10-29 13:05:45 UTC [Centipede Central #general]  

Are all snlt equal? If you are a janitor or a high level official?

2018-10-29 13:09:46 UTC [Centipede Central #general]  

Can we ever erradicate scarcity though. Isn't it just relative. You'd think the USA was full of people at the poverty line. But that line is always adjusting itself

2018-10-29 13:10:17 UTC [Centipede Central #general]  

Those poor people all have iPhones, clean water, flat screen TVs

2018-10-29 13:12:52 UTC [Centipede Central #general]  

There will always be those type of people. The US Military, only allows someone to join if they have an ASVAB score above 85

2018-10-29 13:13:39 UTC [Centipede Central #general]  

If your ASVAB score falls below that, not only is there no position they can use you in, but in all likelihood you would cause more problems than help

2018-10-29 13:14:28 UTC [Centipede Central #general]  

And keep in mind, this is one of the most extensive human efforts achieved to determine how to keep the ranks full

2018-10-29 13:14:48 UTC [Centipede Central #general]  

For times of war that could determine the outcome of whether the nation lives and dies

2018-10-29 13:15:47 UTC [Centipede Central #general]  

10% of the population falls below this ASVAB score. There will always be homeless people and uneducated people, and people who we just don't know what to do with

2018-10-29 13:16:04 UTC [Centipede Central #general]  

And giving them money does not solve the issue.

2018-10-29 13:16:30 UTC [Centipede Central #general]  

Or giving them an equal share and telling them to work for snlt does not solve it

2018-10-29 13:17:03 UTC [Centipede Central #general]  

They will actively make anything they touch worse. Actually they can be quite industrious.

2018-10-29 13:17:23 UTC [Centipede Central #general]  

But industriously stupid

2018-10-29 13:17:58 UTC [Centipede Central #general]  

You can't just educate everyone to the same status

2018-10-29 13:18:14 UTC [Centipede Central #general]  

People are different in all sorts of ways, intelligence happens to be one of them

2018-10-29 13:19:13 UTC [Centipede Central #general]  

That's true. We have the best facilities in Nebraska where I am from

2018-10-29 13:19:29 UTC [Centipede Central #general]  

They send Ebola patients here all the time from across the world

2018-10-29 13:20:39 UTC [Centipede Central #general]  

We have the Warren Buffet cancer out patient center. That's like the pinnacle of capitalism combined with medicine

2018-10-29 13:22:43 UTC [Centipede Central #general]  

Prisoners??? At least we aren't running gulags

2018-10-29 13:23:06 UTC [Centipede Central #general]  

Have you even read the gulag archipelago??

2018-10-29 13:23:33 UTC [Centipede Central #general]  

I'd rather go to prison than quietly disappear

2018-10-29 13:25:46 UTC [Centipede Central #general]  

Ok let's talk about leadership then

2018-10-29 13:26:13 UTC [Centipede Central #general]  

I think no matter what you do, the same leaders will always make to the top

2018-10-29 13:26:50 UTC [Centipede Central #general]  

So then why blame it on the leadership?

2018-10-29 13:27:04 UTC [Centipede Central #general]  

If it will just continue to repeat itself?

2018-10-29 13:28:56 UTC [Centipede Central #general]  

It's the way hierarchal structures function

2018-10-29 13:29:06 UTC [Centipede Central #general]  

It predates or abilities to climb trees

2018-10-29 13:30:06 UTC [Centipede Central #general]  

Hierarchies exist in animals in our ancestral chain that predates our abilities to climb trees

2018-10-29 13:30:27 UTC [Centipede Central #general]  

Hierarchies are how we function. Put 10 kids in a room and they will form a hierarchy

2018-10-29 13:31:00 UTC [Centipede Central #general]  

A hierarchy of who's tallest, who's smartest, who is better at hand stands, whatever you want

2018-10-29 13:32:12 UTC [Centipede Central #general]  

The same leaders will rise to the top for the same reasons in a socialist society

2018-10-29 13:32:17 UTC [Centipede Central #general]  

Or a communist one

2018-10-29 13:32:52 UTC [Centipede Central #general]  

The benevolent leader you describe does not climb that hierarchy. And when he does he gets killed

2018-10-29 13:33:05 UTC [Centipede Central #general]  

Even worse

2018-10-29 13:33:33 UTC [Centipede Central #general]  

That's probably even worse. Now we are talking about the 2 wolves voting to eat the 1 sheep

2018-10-29 14:31:21 UTC [Centipede Central #general]  

I think better education drives people away from socialism

2018-10-29 14:31:52 UTC [Centipede Central #general]  

Interesting to think that the computing solution is likely going to be brought about by a capitalist society

2018-10-29 14:32:56 UTC [Centipede Central #general]  

That's like predicting the weather more than a few days out

2018-10-29 14:33:06 UTC [Centipede Central #general]  

It can't be done.

2018-10-29 14:34:17 UTC [Centipede Central #general]  

It's probably even more complicated than the weather. It's like chaos theory. Where the variables change to quickly ad dramatically to predict what the effect of a butterflies flapping its wings will be

2018-10-29 14:37:45 UTC [Centipede Central #general]  

Yeah that's a recipe for disaster

2018-10-29 14:39:19 UTC [Centipede Central #general]  

Socialism thrives under war. Capitalism thrives better.

2018-10-29 14:40:17 UTC [Centipede Central #general]  

If you want socialism to work, there needs to be more of a communal goal other than to peacefully exist.

2018-10-29 14:42:04 UTC [Centipede Central #general]  

Capitalism is war, you compete daily to make yourself better than your competitors. Socialism is like a stagnant halt to progress, unless there is a bigger goal in mind, like getting to the moon or bankrupting the US in the Cold War.

2018-10-29 14:43:07 UTC [Centipede Central #general]  

But the individuals, I just don't see how they would feel motivated to do anything unless they are heavily propagandized by the state

2018-10-29 15:02:36 UTC [Centipede Central #general]  

Socialism IS a communal goal? Or socialism NEEDS a communal goal? That's the difference here

2018-10-29 15:06:12 UTC [Centipede Central #general]  

People who generate the most successful ideas and markets in a capitalist society are hardly ever driven by just profit. Their companies end up being sustained by it and thrive off of profit because people want more of it. And it's a useful byproduct that sustains more innovation

2018-10-29 15:07:09 UTC [Centipede Central #general]  

How do you see a Silicon Valley emerge in a socialist society?

2018-10-29 15:07:32 UTC [Centipede Central #general]  

Or a spacex?

2018-10-29 15:07:41 UTC [Centipede Central #general]  

Or an amazon?

2018-10-29 15:07:46 UTC [Centipede Central #general]  

Or Walmart

2018-10-29 15:08:35 UTC [Centipede Central #general]  

Walgreens didn't even use a business model that accounts for profit. They accounted for number customer visits.

2018-10-29 15:09:18 UTC [Centipede Central #general]  

If they used a business model that focused on profit they wouldn't have even come up with the idea to place a store every few blocks

2018-10-29 15:09:58 UTC [Centipede Central #general]  

NASA has no goal

2018-10-29 15:10:28 UTC [Centipede Central #general]  

Their goal for the last year was to maintain the space station, as per congressional law

2018-10-29 15:10:38 UTC [Centipede Central #general]  

Or last several years I mean

2018-10-29 15:11:10 UTC [Centipede Central #general]  

Our military is the largest threat deterrent and humanitarian effort on the planet

2018-10-29 15:12:17 UTC [Centipede Central #general]  

A business sustains it self on profit, but also on risk, gotta take risk

2018-10-29 15:12:51 UTC [Centipede Central #general]  

Well that's why the military is a deterrent

2018-10-29 15:13:07 UTC [Centipede Central #general]  

It deters conflicts.

2018-10-29 15:13:50 UTC [Centipede Central #general]  

It's a very difficult metric to quantify. You can't list the number of conflicts you deter. You'll never know

2018-10-29 15:14:27 UTC [Centipede Central #general]  

Do they have the option to even want to?

2018-10-29 15:15:24 UTC [Centipede Central #general]  

Those are marvelous wars. A whole generation of people participated in them

2018-10-29 15:16:03 UTC [Centipede Central #general]  

Surgeons, drone technology, counter insurgency

2018-10-29 15:16:33 UTC [Centipede Central #general]  

Lots of good comes out of those wars. The people of Iraq were celebrating the US when they rolled in

2018-10-29 15:16:45 UTC [Centipede Central #general]  

We just shouldn't have hung around for 10 years after

2018-10-29 15:17:04 UTC [Centipede Central #general]  

They had that anyway

2018-10-29 15:18:02 UTC [Centipede Central #general]  

Libya and Syria ya, they should've been more like Jordan

2018-10-29 15:18:34 UTC [Centipede Central #general]  

We keep the peace and we drop bombs, can't have it just one way

2018-10-29 15:19:11 UTC [Centipede Central #general]  

We do both. Not necessarily at the same time

2018-10-29 15:20:05 UTC [Centipede Central #general]  

Obama created isis when he refused to stay committed to holding Assad accountable

2018-10-29 15:20:48 UTC [Centipede Central #general]  

So do we let Assad murder his own citizens with poisonous gas?

2018-10-29 15:21:00 UTC [Centipede Central #general]  

You'd rather allow that to happen?

2018-10-29 15:22:26 UTC [Centipede Central #general]  

Afghanistan has always been a shithole. That's why they set up shop there

2018-10-29 15:22:56 UTC [Centipede Central #general]  

Taliban sided with al qaeda. They picked a side

2018-10-29 15:23:07 UTC [Centipede Central #general]  

And they actually regretted it

2018-10-29 15:23:46 UTC [Centipede Central #general]  

You are talking about before Russia invaded

2018-10-29 15:24:19 UTC [Centipede Central #general]  

Russia created the taliban.

2018-10-29 15:26:22 UTC [Centipede Central #general]  

No they didn't. The taliban was created by a bunch of propagandized kids. Kids who fled to Pakistan when Russia invaded and then came back to Afghanistan and enforced Sharia law

2018-10-29 15:26:32 UTC [Centipede Central #general]  

Millions of kids

2018-10-29 15:27:26 UTC [Centipede Central #general]  

mujahideen, they were great. That was the most peaceful part of Afghanistan, in the north

2018-10-29 15:27:55 UTC [Centipede Central #general]  

Yeah we gave weapons to them, to bankrupt the soviets in the war, and it worked

2018-10-29 15:28:23 UTC [Centipede Central #general]  

Then the taliban rose to power when the refugees came back

2018-10-29 15:30:02 UTC [Centipede Central #general]  

A sharia law government that supports international terrorism? Yes

2018-10-29 15:30:10 UTC [Centipede Central #general]  

Yes that government was overthrown

2018-10-29 15:30:40 UTC [Centipede Central #general]  

Well if by your definition that's a bad thing then I guess yes that was what we did

2018-10-29 15:31:42 UTC [Centipede Central #general]  

Well, anywhere the US puts boots on ground to start a war becomes a shithole, yes

2018-10-29 15:32:00 UTC [Centipede Central #general]  

Extremist flock to those areas to kill Americans

2018-10-29 15:32:31 UTC [Centipede Central #general]  

Not only do I support it, I participated in that, both Iraq and Afghanistan

2018-10-29 15:33:00 UTC [Centipede Central #general]  

I helped build a school, water wells, and detention facilities in Iraq. And I helped teach the Iraqi army about construction

2018-10-29 15:33:14 UTC [Centipede Central #general]  

And I drilled several water wells in Afghanistan

2018-10-29 15:33:48 UTC [Centipede Central #general]  

I'm 33

2018-10-29 15:34:25 UTC [Centipede Central #general]  

I dunno if there is any simple solution. I think some of the work we did to drill wells or build bridges is a disaster anyway

2018-10-29 15:35:46 UTC [Centipede Central #general]  

Those things just go into disrepair as soon as we leave, and they become dependent on the water or bridge after a few years, then it fails, and no one knows how to sustain it and it creates a void and is basically a disaster for anyone dependent on the infrastructure

2018-10-29 15:36:19 UTC [Centipede Central #general]  

Yeah, best thing would be to leave them be. But unfortunately they don't let us be

2018-10-29 15:36:34 UTC [Centipede Central #general]  

Or they don't let their neighbors be

2018-10-29 15:37:08 UTC [Centipede Central #general]  

And you gotta commit to these wars when they start. Can't just half ass it

2018-10-29 15:37:39 UTC [Centipede Central #general]  

Because osama was holed up in Africa and Afghanistan

2018-10-29 15:37:54 UTC [Centipede Central #general]  

The better question is why Iraq

2018-10-29 15:39:10 UTC [Centipede Central #general]  

Extremist flocked to afganistsn though and Africa

2018-10-29 15:39:20 UTC [Centipede Central #general]  

That's where the indoctrination and camps were

2018-10-29 15:39:41 UTC [Centipede Central #general]  

That's where it was allows to develop and take on the form of international terrorism

2018-10-29 15:41:06 UTC [Centipede Central #general]  

As one of the most landlocked countries you can find, that use to be a land bridge between Europe and Asia, afganistan was extremely relevant and than all the sudden once we could fly farther than a few hundred miles without refueling it became irrelevant

2018-10-29 15:42:14 UTC [Centipede Central #general]  

Yeah, Alexander the Great had to make his way through Afghanistan to get to Indian and Asia

2018-10-29 15:43:26 UTC [Centipede Central #general]  

It produced the most heavily trafficked trade routes between Europe and Asia for centuries

2018-10-29 15:44:10 UTC [Centipede Central #general]  

Im just saying, it has very open borders, very diverse and free people

2018-10-29 15:44:33 UTC [Centipede Central #general]  

People wanted control of t

2018-10-29 15:44:39 UTC [Centipede Central #general]  

Yeah it is

2018-10-29 15:46:33 UTC [Centipede Central #general]  

I'm surprised you've never heard of how important the trading routes were trough Afghanistan

2018-10-29 15:46:49 UTC [Centipede Central #general]  

It ruined Alexander the Great trying to gain control of the country

2018-10-29 15:48:25 UTC [Centipede Central #general]  

Support it or just embrace it?

2018-10-29 15:49:48 UTC [Centipede Central #general]  

Ok, I dunno what you mean. It's a very easy country to gain access to, and had historically been so

2018-10-29 15:50:24 UTC [Centipede Central #general]  

That's why it was easy to set up terrorist training shops there

2018-10-29 15:51:01 UTC [Centipede Central #general]  

The Iraqi government was actively trying to gain info and probably even capture the few taliban in their country

2018-10-29 15:52:24 UTC [Centipede Central #general]  

Unfortunately for them, we were able to find some training facilities loosely associated with the taliban in Iraq

2018-10-29 15:52:44 UTC [Centipede Central #general]  

Which added fuel to the talking points on invading

2018-10-29 15:53:02 UTC [Centipede Central #general]  

And oil

2018-10-29 15:53:43 UTC [Centipede Central #general]  

Yeah, and that's why I think you should be asking about Iraq more so than Afghanistan

2018-10-29 15:53:55 UTC [Centipede Central #general]  

The reasons for invading Afghanistan are much more evident

2018-10-29 15:55:06 UTC [Centipede Central #general]  

I thought Saudi Arabia created it

2018-10-29 15:55:28 UTC [Centipede Central #general]  

[email protected] to point out it's always had loose open borders

2018-10-29 15:56:52 UTC [Centipede Central #general]  

Yeah well, you are describing a lot of democratic leadership mistakes. I don't disagree

2018-10-29 15:58:53 UTC [Centipede Central #general]  

Hahaha I could care less about the pretenses. It pays for school and you make good money and it's good experience

2018-10-29 15:59:54 UTC [Centipede Central #general]  

Of course we all thought it was ridiculous to be over there boots on ground for years. And nobody has all the answers, going to those countries with solutions is what causes the problems in the first place

2018-10-29 16:00:51 UTC [Centipede Central #general]  

I did know a lot of people who signed up because of 9/11 though. But I don't operate on zeitgeist, only what's good for me and my immediate family

2018-10-29 16:01:43 UTC [Centipede Central #general]  

Sounds a little too imperialist

2018-10-29 16:03:25 UTC [Centipede Central #general]  

Are you talking about the taliban and saddam?

2018-10-29 16:03:49 UTC [Centipede Central #general]  

Where are you from?

2018-10-29 16:35:07 UTC [Centipede Central #general]  

Soviets didn't cause an international migrant crisis? https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Afghan_refugees

2018-10-29 16:36:24 UTC [Centipede Central #general]  

It's always interesting how these migrant crisis are just military aged males fleeing the country

2018-10-29 16:38:21 UTC [Centipede Central #general]  

As if maybe they stayed in their own country and tried to do something useful for themselves and their families we wouldn't have these issues

2018-10-29 16:39:11 UTC [Centipede Central #general]  

Social psychologist have outlined personality traits that make us lean towards socialism

2018-10-29 16:40:30 UTC [Centipede Central #general]  

They are useful traits in some circumstances, but what this tells me is that there is no reason to expect a different result if we are being governed by the same type of people that want socialism

2018-10-29 16:41:01 UTC [Centipede Central #general]  

Anyone who WANTS socialism is a dictator/authoritarian who just doesn't know it yet

2018-10-30 11:54:45 UTC [Centipede Central #general]  

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2018-10-30 15:48:56 UTC [Centipede Central #general]  

Catastrophize, that's the way arguments/discussions work now a days

2018-10-31 11:41:59 UTC [Centipede Central #general]  

Define 'works'

2018-10-31 11:44:54 UTC [Centipede Central #general]  

Ahh ok. I agree, there are people who's lives improve because of socialism.

2018-10-31 11:45:32 UTC [Centipede Central #general]  

But unfortunately, millions of people die and suffer as well

2018-10-31 11:46:42 UTC [Centipede Central #general]  

Where is that

2018-10-31 11:46:52 UTC [Centipede Central #general]  

Where was it

2018-10-31 11:50:16 UTC [Centipede Central #general]  

Ya. I think as an American, we don't focus too much on what's working where and when. We focus internally

2018-10-31 11:51:09 UTC [Centipede Central #general]  

Like for instance, other countries pay attention to our elections, and the average American had no idea what's going on elsewhere

2018-10-31 11:52:40 UTC [Centipede Central #general]  

It's hardly much of the world at all. Just 300 million? Compared to 7 billion. That's 4%

2018-10-31 11:54:57 UTC [Centipede Central #general]  

It's got a good business model that other countries want to copy. But as the big dog you have to keep your place by coercing other countries by force

2018-10-31 11:55:18 UTC [Centipede Central #general]  

It's inevitable, no matter who is on top

2018-10-31 11:55:47 UTC [Centipede Central #general]  

If I was born in some other country, I'd have all sorts of issues with America and what they do to other countries

2018-10-31 11:56:11 UTC [Centipede Central #general]  

Oh yeah, but they will try to stay on top for as long as possible

2018-10-31 11:56:28 UTC [Centipede Central #general]  

Yeah, being on top is what makes you weak. No reason to strive

2018-10-31 11:57:42 UTC [Centipede Central #general]  

Nope, they are coming. The cultures are so different. Kids in American elementary schools test somewhere around 25th or worse in math

2018-10-31 11:57:54 UTC [Centipede Central #general]  

Compared to other 1st world countries

2018-10-31 11:58:12 UTC [Centipede Central #general]  

But they score #1 in their confidence to do math

2018-10-31 11:58:40 UTC [Centipede Central #general]  

In China it's the exact opposite. They test much higher in ability to do math, and Lower in confidence

2018-10-31 11:59:33 UTC [Centipede Central #general]  

America is in it's dumbing down phase. We've got a very toxic and coddled culture.

2018-10-31 15:25:36 UTC [Centipede Central #general]  

Pure democracy is dangerous, right? Why not let the smartest people in a Gaussian distribution make the decisions.

2018-10-31 15:26:14 UTC [Centipede Central #general]  

2 standard deviations above the rest only

2018-10-31 15:27:29 UTC [Centipede Central #general]  

That's dangerous too, but a better alternative

2018-10-31 15:29:05 UTC [Centipede Central #general]  

No, it doesn't. But you don't want the decision makers to be too morally inflated.

2018-10-31 15:30:07 UTC [Centipede Central #general]  

I dunno where to find a balance. Probably the way the US does it, we have a good balance of cold hard truth and coddling ourselves like infants

2018-10-31 15:31:40 UTC [Centipede Central #general]  

I never said it was

2018-10-31 15:34:09 UTC [Centipede Central #general]  

They do a good job balancing the duality though. Seems like the power shifts every election cycle between what's expediently moral, and hard truths that need to be discussed in order to get desired outcomes in the long run

2018-10-31 15:37:51 UTC [Centipede Central #general]  

I don't think they are that powerful. Not unless you listen to the recent far left media portrayals. Ben Sasse from Nebraska does a good job summing up why it seems that way

2018-10-31 15:38:41 UTC [Centipede Central #general]  

He spoke a bit during the kavanagh ford inquiry

2018-10-31 15:41:07 UTC [Centipede Central #general]  

And legislative laws can be vetoed

2018-10-31 15:41:18 UTC [Centipede Central #general]  

It's all as designed. Nothing has changed

2018-10-31 15:42:40 UTC [Centipede Central #general]  

Progress should be slow and arduous. The best way to keep people happy. Is no one should get 100% their way

2018-10-31 15:44:28 UTC [Centipede Central #general]  

Executive orders should be constrained though

2018-10-31 15:45:21 UTC [Centipede Central #general]  

Corruption occurs in any hierarchy. And hierarchies are inevitable no matter how the cards are dealt

2018-10-31 16:22:10 UTC [Centipede Central #general]  

Yeah, but the default human condition isn't to necessarily want to be educated and knowledgeable about how to effectively participate in a democracy. Some people just content being dumb. If anything that's a preferable form of existence. When I see ads telling people to go out and blindly vote, I always smh

2018-10-31 16:26:22 UTC [Centipede Central #general]  

If you need to be told and guilted to go out and vote, I don't think you've spent enough time mulling over the information needed to make a sound decision.

2018-11-02 23:54:26 UTC [Centipede Central #general]  

They are memed? In what way? In a way that degrades their point of views?

2018-11-06 16:24:19 UTC [Centipede Central #general]  

Blue wave....

2018-11-06 16:25:34 UTC [Centipede Central #general]  

Republicans encompass center, slightly left of center and anything right of center. And if someone in any of those categories doesn't agree, they don't understand themselves deeply enough, and don't realize they likely fall left to far left, and are in a dwindling group that's eating itself.

2018-11-06 16:27:21 UTC [Centipede Central #general]  

Trumps approval rating has only improved since the 2016 election. And tribalism has increased. So people are likely going to vote all red or blue. So id predict that people are basically voting trump again, regardless of what candidates have said or done, they will simply check the boxes of their tribal group, more so than we've ever experienced in history. Polls that are predicting a blue wave are repeating the same polling errors that occurred during 2016

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