I feel this, and I'm also pretty open to what information I do know and what I don't. I'm currently in the camp where I feel there is enough evidence on the table to believe serious fraud was involved. But then again, I felt that way about Georgia when I was actively counting votes using excel that something wasn't quite right on election week.

Also consider that Dominion software is used across every county in Georgia elections. So that might bolster such a claim.

The censorship sort of runs in the opposite direction. The beautiful thing about a section 230 repeal is that it no longer allows entities to moderate content on their platforms.

Also, I believe, the current Secretary of State updated their systems to dominion software, I believe. But I'm unsure where I heard the claim so I can't verify.

It is being proposed.

Aka Mr@realdonaldtrump "REPEAL SECTION 230!"

I'll admit to being hazy on the details. I believe the narrative being pushed is the idea that the extra votes are shipped in afterwards. That was the claim being made by the Colonel during the MI hearing.

It was actually that moment when I realized "There's things Guliani isn't talking about. Why?" When the senator asked Guliani this same question. He didn't talk about how MI votes jumped so high all of a sudden using the Colonel's testimony not too long before.

Did you ever read the Executive order on marshal law if foreign interference was found in the election? https://www.whitehouse.gov/presidential-actions/executive-order-imposing-certain-sanctions-event-foreign-interference-united-states-election/

Well, this fact may come as particularly concerning to you; the Director of National Intelligence, in consultation with the heads of any other appropriate executive departments and agencies have about 12 days from now to convince Trump otherwise before he imposes marshal law.

Afk for a bit, but I'll keep tabs.

Checking in;

> @TaLoN132 The will of the voters should not be overruled on a suspicion.
100% agree with you here. I think the current plan being pushed for is if a certain number of legislatures do not select their electors by the safe harbor deadline, it will give time for the cases to push ahead while neither candidate reaches 270. GA may be an exception to this rule, and to be honest, I think they have enough evidence on the table to switch their votes. According to their state law, they have to send electors, should they opt to follow it. Even Guliani argued that they can sort of rule to do whatever they like in regards to selecting electors, though, so they may break state law and opt for a constitutional power.
In PA, the electors gave their power over to the governor to do this, again by state law. Scotus is in position to hear if the judiciary ruling broke their own constitution, I think there's a strong case that the safe harbor deadline isn't as relevant as the assembly of electors is on the 14th.
WI, NV, MI, and AZ I think may or may not opt to do this, whatever they publicly say or not. "Read my lips; no new taxes" may be the name of the game, and then the Trump team et. all gets a new date that the state legislatures then have the ability to send electors of their choosing.

I think it's fairly reasonable to say "Shit, we may not know the will of the people, but lets let things play out and find out." by not issuing electors by Dec. 8th.

There are means to correct the issue by Jan. 3rd, but I don't think people will be too happy if they come to find out another month later "Oh shit there was fraud!" because I think people assume that the electors choose the next president and it's a done deal.

Honestly I voted for him specifically to end foreign conflicts. Glad I got what I asked for.

I think the DOI is investigating the possibility of it being an organized effort. You merely have to turn on any TV to see the consensus of news that might imply this as a factor. Social media companies acting as arbiters of truth is not a good sign.

"Is this what cyber warfare looks like?" I think is the question being asked.

Iunno man, the whole Dominion software shit's pretty sketch.

Or a system of malicious actors working to undermine the US government in tandem... like a US election. I can't back up such a claim except with what's being discussed on the table.

"Big, if true."

You already got this Coronel talking about Iran and Choyna running ballot switching efforts through Dominion being presented before state legislatures.

See where I'm getting at?

Fair enough, and it's reasonable to say so. It's just strange to me how we've all been talking about the Russians and foreign interference for the last 4 years and then presume all of a sudden it didn't happen.

Certainty is akin to fallibility in this world. Nobody should be certain of anything. I'm not even certain that the Russians didn't interfere directly with Dominion as a part of these allegations back in 2016.

Tried and true methods of ballot harvesting. haha

I'm kinda curious I don't see too many countersuits to the trump campaign.

Like dominion suing for defamation.

I mean, if you're going to claim that fraud is impossible...

Damn, I did hear about one or two, actually. Obama got a peace prize before even assuming office haha

What can money not buy, anyway?

I do truly wonder how easy it would be to order a mail-in ballot to my residence here in WI.

For the Georgia election.

If you're certain that the media companies are aiding and abetting foreign enemies by rigging the election, according to Trump's EO, he apparently has the power to seize their finances and send it to the treasury.

I can't hear it for some reason

Oh! Apologies.

I imagine two weeks after that "We're all gunna die because Trump didn't do enough!!"

I think that's really what the hush-hush is about, in all honesty. If you wanna go into conspiracyland, well https://merrileebeazley.org/situation-update-dec-3rd-trump-invokes-foreign-interference-provision-of-his-2018-executive-order-authorizing-military-response-to-cyber-warfare-see-nspm-13/

Oh shiiit

Didn't even know about that bit.

Less so than our media at least.

I would too if you said it that way 😋

We call those cell phones, here.

I'd find it easy to believe we would hand them foreign aid for such a crisis.

If Biden gets his 270, only for Trump to take the Inauguration, I don't imagine things will be civil at all.

Agreed. This is why I think if there's really a massive cyberwarfare attack on the US going on, targeting the election software systems like is being alleged, particularly during these hearings by the good Coronel presenting all these vectors of attack, we need to have this resolved and fast.

I believe he mentioned Iran and China by name.

I find it interesting CNN says we should be concerned with an Iran war over assassinations of important key figures via drone strike.

Same reason Bannon has CNN playing in the background when he live streams the war room.

Right, right. I'm honestly using it as a metaphor. I find it interesting how Trump's effectively ending US interventionism via boots on the ground. I don't know where my old circle of leftists I usually debated got their news, but as soon as I brought up "Hey, isn't it great how we're actually out of..." Was met with such vitriolic response.

Does anyone have the media reports from the center with the video showing they closed down for the night?

@DisenchantedTruth @Maw ?

Oh man, I listened to this on audiobook. There's like, 3 hours of torture methods included lmfao

To get a confession, one favored method was to make the defendant stand in a narrow partially water filled cell, then, break their legs.

Another was to arrest the family and childen, and then record them being tortured.

on and on and on

3 hours

Take away 5th amendment rights. Easy.

I read uh

Gulag archapellago

Is that the one you're talking about @Zuluzeit ?

What's the corporate tax rate there, again?

Oh, nvm, switzerland, not sweeden

"https://www.theepochtimes.com/dershowitz-says-supreme-court-may-rule-to-let-legislators-pick-alternate-electors_3607611.html

Attorney Alan Dershowitz said on Sunday that he believes the Supreme Court may get involved in adjudicating on whether state legislators have the power to pick alternate Electoral College electors who would vote for President Donald Trump if legislatures determine there was voter fraud, even after an initial slate of electors has cast its votes on Dec. 14.

Dershowitz made the remarks in an interview with Fox News in which he was first asked about what he thought of claims made by Trump attorney Rudy Giuliani, who said there was a pattern of fraudulent activity that swayed the election in favor of Democrat Joe Biden.

“There certainly is probably cause for investigating and looking further. Giuliani has made very serious accusations. The question is which institution is designed constitutionally to look …"

Hrmm....

https://www.brighteon.com/d673157d-659b-4f3e-9f23-08c9cc01690b

This is DNI John Radcliffe, set to report a brief on cybersecurity threat of foreign meddling in the election to the Trump administration

In approximately 10 days, the DNI's issued report to Trump may allow him the opportunity to use this information according to his 2018 EO to issue a state of marshal law.

I'd imagine they tapped into the Dominion servers in 2016.

I would not be at all surprised if both Russia and China were using the Dominion machines to sway elections one way or another. The security is a mess and the media won't report on it at all.

Actually, they were screaming about it for 4 years but they didn't care to target Dominion elections systems as a culprit.

I find this unlikely, given the footprints we've seen in Edison election data.

The DNI says otherwise, if you listen to John Radcliffe on the topic.

While the poll watchers and media were sent home, breaking the law.

Also interesting how she counted the same stack four times.

According to the 2018 EO, Trump is using his word to issue action against foreign actors. It's an important factor.

A majority, including the media, and the poll watchers. In the video, there were 7 people on staff. Four counters, 3 for oversight. Maybe you can reason there's a dem and rep poll watcher and one election official, but I'm partial to those three likely being elections officials given the affidavits, and the fact that a stack of ballots were counted three times in succession.

You use the video to verify the affidavits.

Maybe she did, but the whole thing is shady. That Democrat woman was pretty adamant about explaining how the video was "debunked" claiming the media had already discredited the affidavits before it even came out. It was the first time the video was ever seen. How could she know that? I'm partial to believing that she wouldn't have, but that was the party narritive to deny that fraud happened.

Where were the official monitors during this act, though? Can you point them out? Can the media at least identify those workers and settle people's minds? I skipped to the part of the video where they discuss "frame by frame" but they also fail to address how she counted the same ballots multiple times. Why would they not be proactive about that observation if that's what was going on, and they truly reviewed the video?

As I said, I did.

Why would they not be proactive about recounting a stack of ballots?

Why would they not explain the process to the american people until after that observation was seen?

You can see that she did, in the full video. You yourself claimed she didn't recount them because there's a means to clear a ballot stack before rerunning. Why did the media not address this in their report?

Things like this are important.

You can explain, or you can justify.

Watch carefully as she loads the same stack three times.

Explained by a media with a vested interest in obscuring the truth.

Idk how you can watch that video and not think "Damn, she just finessed the entire state of Georgia."

The affadavits came forward before the video. The video justifies the claims made by the affidavits. Easy.

Why did the poll watchers and the media leave? Why did the poll watchers submit affidavits claiming they were asked to leave before having knowledge of the video?

What, because they had "seen the video" that was requested only weeks after the airing of the video?

I like the part where she sits at the desk and begins counting the- yeah.

No return addresses.

I would say that "maybe that ballot was the only one with missing return addresses" but then again, those mail-in ballots are in perfect condition.

It seems rather unusual that that would be the first in the stack, just as well.

Doesn't seem to be a coincidence.

Excuse me?

If the poll watchers are asked to leave, then they will. They took their sweet time packing up before "receiving a phone call" that @james j 's media report alleged, which came after they pulled these ballot box suitcases out.