What smoking gun video???

I feel this, and I'm also pretty open to what information I do know and what I don't. I'm currently in the camp where I feel there is enough evidence on the table to believe serious fraud was involved. But then again, I felt that way about Georgia when I was actively counting votes using excel that something wasn't quite right on election week.

Great points. I think it is more likely that the fraud was decentralized in nature, which is why it is so hard to pinpoint in a decisive manner. Now to demonstrate each occurrence in a way to show a difference will be made is exponentially harder to do. At the end of the day though, the election system should be without reproach for these very reasons. The reality is there are numerous irregularities that have already come to light. While that may not necessarily mean a centralized malicious effort took place. It doesn’t rule it out yet either. So does “massive voter fraud” need to be demonstrated to overturn an election? IMO no only that there is a reasonable assumption there was enough fraud to change the outcome of the popular vote. At that point the legislature is within their right to default to a contingent election of some kind or to simply withhold their votes until faith is restored by enough of their members. That is where we are at this point.

Yeah after the video came out I went back and looked at Fulton county only and asked myself what if they stuffed the ballot box with Biden only votes. So I compared the top of the ticket votes to the downline vote and in particular the Senate race. The result is there's not enough extra top of the ticket extra votes in Fulton county to change the election. So now I'm left with a theory of the crime that they stuffed the ballot boxes across all the counties in Georgia but just a little bit and somehow didn't get caught. again if someone brings some evidence I'm willing to look at it. But at this point I remain unconvinced. Especially when it comes to Georgia.

@Recalibar actually what I posted was totally what you guys were, objecting to, state-sanctioned censorship by social media platforms as censorship is one tenant of totalitarian systems. Sadly, we have some matches on other tenants of totalitarianism as well.

Also consider that Dominion software is used across every county in Georgia elections. So that might bolster such a claim.

The censorship sort of runs in the opposite direction. The beautiful thing about a section 230 repeal is that it no longer allows entities to moderate content on their platforms.

@Corndog how are you coming to the conclusion of reasonable assumption? There is nothing verifiable. Pointing to irregularities that happen normally in all elections and were expected to happed in this election. Such as the red mirage., does not get you to a reasonable assumption

Also, I believe, the current Secretary of State updated their systems to dominion software, I believe. But I'm unsure where I heard the claim so I can't verify.

Section 230 is repealed?

It is being proposed.

Again they did a hand recount across the entire state. So it's not a matter of the machine counting the votes differently. The only theory that works is they stuff the ballot box or boxes in this case. So now you're talking humans involved in lots of different places bringing in these fake ballots and stuffing them into the box and getting them counted. If that happened there should be some hard evidence on it.

Aka Mr@realdonaldtrump "REPEAL SECTION 230!"

How much more time until the process is complete?

Well I would point to irregularities that are not normal for starters. Irregularities that cannot be explained.

Approximately

I'll admit to being hazy on the details. I believe the narrative being pushed is the idea that the extra votes are shipped in afterwards. That was the claim being made by the Colonel during the MI hearing.

@Corndog what irregularities can’t be explained. So far nothing was argued in court and all the hearings are just unverifiable stories.

@Recalibar the colonel that asked for martial law ?

Just saw this... more of an update than anything, if anyone is interested. http://www.pahousegop.com/News/18695/Latest-News/House-and-Senate-Republicans-Issue-Letters-Calling-on-Congress-to-Dispute-Pennsylvania%E2%80%99s-Electors,-Law-Enforcement-to-Review-2020-Election

It was actually that moment when I realized "There's things Guliani isn't talking about. Why?" When the senator asked Guliani this same question. He didn't talk about how MI votes jumped so high all of a sudden using the Colonel's testimony not too long before.

@Corndog it’s far more likely to be a sham attempt at trying to convince the public of voter fraud than actually proving voter fraud . We all knew this would happen if trump lost.

@james j ... @busillis is banished from the kingdom of @Corndog... might have to start getting my info off chans again...🤯

Nooo

@james j between Sheldon Wolin and Brian Kemp @Corndog is 100 % a Kemp fan.

Did you ever read the Executive order on marshal law if foreign interference was found in the election? https://www.whitehouse.gov/presidential-actions/executive-order-imposing-certain-sanctions-event-foreign-interference-united-states-election/

I am saying that without arguing them in court we don’t know. We have to default to the next best assumption, legislatures will act based on those assumptions and many may choose to not act at all. The reality is we just don’t know. So what is more reasonable? Pick a side or say we don’t know? My reasonable assumption is that we don’t have enough information and there are serious enough irregularities that have not been proven that we must wait for those to be heard before sending an elector. That would be my current stance, and the most reasonable one I can see going forward now without adjudication or a legislative referendum.

That's crazy seeing those two names even together ...

@Recalibar I am well aware of the kraken tale. It’s was disputed with the recount

Omg the messaging is everywhere

@Corndog they were not argued in court because they had no merit. Just listen to the testimonies it’s all just stories. Guliani never even argued he had fraud in court because he knew it would not pass scrutiny. Have you read or seek the court hearings. @Corndog

Well, this fact may come as particularly concerning to you; the Director of National Intelligence, in consultation with the heads of any other appropriate executive departments and agencies have about 12 days from now to convince Trump otherwise before he imposes marshal law.

@Recalibar he has no grounds to

Thats not entirely true, at least yet. Many are still pending and the ones that have been dismissed were not all based on merits, rather some other process.

But yes I have been following the cases and watching the hearings.

What story did you hear that could be verifiable ? @Corndog

Afk for a bit, but I'll keep tabs.

I doubt any will be verified in court. Why? How many are not plausible enough to cause reasonable doubt the election was flawed? Those cases must be adjudicated or it may cause legislatures to hold off sending electors. Best to wait and see.

Can anyone please explain what ICU capacity dropping below %15 means in Newsoms mandatory lock-down orders effective tonight?