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Kind of like Star Wars OT vs. Prequel. Except in the reverse order.
Okay, bad analogy. I'm sorry to everyone that read that.
If anyone hasn't seen the movie The Devils Advocate. That's a big recommend. 10/10
@Imperial J. Yay Isn't there basically the 3 different Lutheran Churches that are still active?
@Skellington Why do 7DA worship on Saturday's? Their grocery stores are the best btw.
I think that's a pretty good justification. I'll have to think about that
And that after the Resurrection we opperatate under the new law.
@Skellington I'm going to get back to you with an argument why you're wrong, I just don't know why you're wrong yet.
That actually sounds like a rather rational point Skellington.
@Shekel Stealer Have you played this one before? If not, I think you might find the premise and narrative interesting.
The story / aesthetics/ philosophy / and puzzles (if you're into puzzles) are top notch.
What did you think of Tactics? I read the summary. What was the most valuable take away that you learned?
I assumed it would probably be a little basic for you. Like you said though, working on fundamental dialectics and rhetoric will always help. Heard you talking about Pathos, Logos, Ethos the other day and how you figured out Logos doesn't work on 'them'. That's an important evolution.
Maybe you can help me figure out how to reach the willfully ignorant. The people who maybe already know they're wrong but are too stubborn to be willing to change.
@Skellington Is there any hope for those that willingly choose the lie, because they want to believe the lie?
@Shekel Stealer Really good recommendation, completely agree that most of them have loaded questions. I just had someone forward me a questionnaire and the first question was framed "Since Globalism is inevitable would you rather..."
When I looked at it I thought my rehabilitation could probably be tweaked higher to be accurate.
I think it depends. There are some instances where it's clear that this road is chosen and others where circumstance and bad decisions resulted in a mistake.
I wouldn't even say the age of the criminal is the primary discernment.
Like I would be fine appointing warrior monks to weigh the souls of the accused and decide if it's quarantine or guidance.
As long as their quarantine isn't a social drain or danger all options are on the table for the corrupted and damned.
@McFansy Did you take this compass? I'm curious.
Honestly, I hate these kinds of tests too, but this one's not as bad. The questions are pretty straight forward and to the point. There's not a lot of, " well depends and what they mean by that and the situation"
hmm, principals are an instrument to enforce the status quo. Interesting, but I'll have to think on that.
You are correct that principals are handed down, from authority.
I suppose you could even say from the Principal.
I'm going to have to think about the relationship between principals and integrity. That's interesting, there's something to this that I haven't considered before.
I always thought that someone who embodied integrity was someone who held to their principals. But, if the principals are bestowed from authority, then they didn't originate from the individual.
I don't accept moral relativism, so the authority that bestowed the principals is either moral and just, or not.
If the moral authority is corrupt, and the principals are held, then the individual has integrity.
Wait is that true what I was thinking out loud there? Does that check out? An individual with integrity only means that they are intact with the principals that were bestowed on them from the authority and has no bearing on morality?
Most of my life I've held Integrity as my highest value, but I haven't revisited it in awhile.
Huh. Integrity, is by it's objective definition only the purity of form. A signal with full integrity is a signal in it's perfect form the way it was transmitted. It's purity of form has no bearing in the content being transmitted. Than integrity isn't a value itself, it's virtue is dependant on integrity to what values it's maintaining.
My primary secular value most of my life can't really be a value at all. Thanks @McFansy
Well I've humbled myself to God natural laws. So whatever he says, that's the outcome.
Zoomer's will never understand how based George is.
Of course he is, why would he stop milking these gringos in the audience if a larger one is to be had.
It's a valid question. Why would you move to a foreign land if you or your child are unable to even try to get along with it's inhabitants. Figure it out, or get out.
Big agree @arg
Arg's detecting the pied piper.
He can be entertaining and interesting but not to be invested in. Kind of like Alex Jones. He's going to get the low IQs in trouble.
Using the word genocide is hyperbolic and UN definition semantics aren't rhetorically convincing. I even struggle with "Replacement" even though it's a better descriptor.
When you evoke the word genocide, everyone has a mental image of what that looks like. That image doesn't match isn't happening in the West so it's easy to dismiss the speaker.
Replacement evokes imagery as well that actually kind of works. It passes the emotional and ethical argument check quite well.
'Replacement' gets a little harder to argue around the logical argumentation because on the micro level, nobody is being literally replaced. Everyone is still here, minus those murdered by our new neighbors. Of course on the macro level, a population is being replaced. But then again, white people don't exist, race is a social construct, and it all doesn't matter anyway bigot.
@Zemo 'Dispossession' and 'Reciprocation' are much easier to work with. I don't know if either of them pack quite the emotional punch that genocide or replacement have. So you're playing for less stakes basing an appeal on either of those.
His push for basing a rhetorical argument around "Reciprocation" is the best thing I've seen him do. It passes the Pathos, Logos, Ethos check. It's true and recognizable from everybody and it's a tactful enough argument for almost and setting. Acknowledging generosity while questioning a equitable relational exchange is not bad optics. @Skellington is into studying rhetoric, I wonder if he's had any time to consider 'Reciprocity'?
If Harley Quinn resonates with western young women and joker resonates with western young men, what are we supposed to take away from that?
@Endeavour you've demonstrated the lies quite diligently. I agree with @WanderingRusski about naturally sharing your experiences and being open and taking your audience through your discovery and thought process with you. These qualities are what made your content captivating and authentic.
I would caution about traveling to far down the road of critiquing culture. I imagine if most of us here are anything like me we're pretty disillusioned. Continuing to fixate on what is wrong would be fostering a culture of critique (/outrage a la Tim Poole) and we don't want to become our enemy's.
I would recommend following your gut and launching and endeavor in search of authenticity since that has caught your attention. Go find subjects and/or talk to different people who you suspect may living in authenticity and purpose in this fallen society and provide analysis. Homesteading, Religious communities, families, frontier jobs, civic resistance groups, occupations. Find them, tell us, but remember, it's much easier to destroy than to create.
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My Tim Poole example was off point, you're right
Didn't intend to imply you were anything like Tim Poole, you're obviously not. What I was trying to get at was to suggest a search for authenticity and purpose and to avoid potential traps of 'beating a dead horse'. No offense intended. I like your content. Trying to offer input that may be of some utility.
The joker identity is an acceptance of a degenerated condition of modern western man. Not to mention it is set in a leftist framework.
Yeah, that's not a realistic subway experience portrayed in Joker.
@Charlemagne Cool trucks and toys huh?
@McFansy has all the skill sets necessary to be a compelling content creator.
Is anyone interested/capable of redpilling another regionally based discord group. I'm hitting the wall with the majority libertarian ConInc types.
A few days ago a few of them took up the point that Vdare.com was a white nationalist publication, I had posted one of their articles.
Their logic is that they hate leftist identity focus and collectivism, so they must also hate it on the "right". What they mean is for whites, but we say right in this case.
They don't like how other groups are collectivist against white people so they will take the path of 'rugged individualism' until it goes away.
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