weak conservatism = race identity no important...

*woman should have equal rights...etc

well, I was joking

^^ the don 73

exactly

autocracy should be the way

It would, as long as it still believed in equal rights among white men.

autocracy is way better than any republic. but the problem is: equal rights means: rights for potential traitors. foreign nations invest huge money (billions) into those people, subverting the nation, even if entirely white and patriarchal.

if I understand it right, Russia was a marxist country led by demons (we seem to mostly agree with that), so if Russia was evil, I would bet its enemies were not...

I mean: its hard to imagine piccking a fight with your closest in ideology, so the point is: Russia main antagonist was germany, which means that they were oposites in the good/evil scale.

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oh wait, I agree with LeftistTears, can't limit someone offspring.

its not about constitution really. its about good sense. we should never do it

ok, hear me on this: people believe in equal rights to market, meaning: theorically everyone can become rich. that however is a fantasy. CHINA (f.ex.) can just invest billions in our citizens, making them the upper class, and rulers of USA (basically google and amazon, etc). so the problem is: as long as you believe in free-market, equal rights stuff, we are doomed to be ruled to the benefit of foreign nations/people/race.

those jews, I would say there are too much proxies to know who really fund everyone

but hey, maybe it is the jews... Idk

another problem with the right wing is that they believe in free-media

look at russia, Putin isn't stupid.

^^ LeftistTears, exactly! never

also: putin made very clear that he wants to save the white race. with his speach, as well as his program to reward white folks who have babies.

^^LeftistTears yup

Russia is poor because of historic. also because the right path to sucess isn't fast. free market makes you rich fast, but you lose sovereingty, like USA, who is basically ruled by foreign countries.

@God’s Morals I think nobody here loves them very much. lol

they call jews nazi's

I am new to this server, so don't take my opinion as fact

as I was saying, the problem with this right wing ideology of free-market, equal oportunity is that, if the national government don't stabilish the upper class, a foreign nation definetly will. the belief that people have that rich people are rich for other reasons is just silly. rich people are rich because they swear allegiance. either to the nation they inhabit, or to a foreign investing nation.

rich people are the engine bro, its not good to put heavy weight on the engine. its better to just make sure your engine actually works for the benefit of your country, and not for another.

if you have laws in place to guarantee that the upper class are loyal to you, you wouldn't need to tax them so much anyway.

Templar, it never worked because of this stupid belief in free-market, equal oportunity thing. it works when the government/people accept the inevitability of an upper class funded by the government

I searched in the internet for right wing server. @Nikitis problem with taxing the rich is: if you give poor people same rights, you are just equalizing the wealth. and that decentralization of power makes the "engine" run slower, discordinated.

its not about their lives, its about how their projects run much better if they are more powerfull. decentralized power just leads to discoodination and disputes. its bad. the problem is that our rich doesn't work for our interest, they work for foreign interest

@Nikitis well, that is true.

my point from the beggining is that, if the government chooses its own elite, it saves itself from traitorous elites. think China, they choose their own upper class. nobody gets rich in this world without some backing.

they say: you need good idea and work: lies! you need either your own nation or a foreign nation to take you as a lackey or their interests. problem is, US don't do this.

@Nikitis you have a point. but I think you miss the point: upper class is needed.

the problem is we have an evil upper class

and its our fault, because we believe in Free-market and equal oportunity, etc

I think everyone is missing an important point: whoever has money has power to change politics, so wether the capitalist system works economically, it doesn't matter, because if evil man gets in power, even if he does economic good, he changes laws for the worst. that is why, guaranteeing that only loyal men who swear a private believable oaf to loyalty to the nation and who proved his morality/honesty should be allowed/choosed to be upper class. otherwise, you get rich(free market) nation, that works for foreign nation people.

people are separating economics from geo-politics... you can't.

ok, now I get @Nikitis politics.

I thought he was somewhat middle of the road

making an economic boom happen is easy. difficult is making one that last.

that explains...

I don't think he is a real nazi...

anti upper class, pro class-war... its basically what lead us down the road

@Deleted User I took much longer

I think I was a soft-socialist till my 23-24

but a soft one.

not a feminist, equal rights one, just one that believed in social programs from the government

to be honest, I doubt an 18 years old who happens to be conservative is actually politically inteligent. he probably just had good company/parents.

rich people = economic engine. therefore we must put obstacles in their way to get economic growth!!!

all of them!?

@God’s Morals that may be true (it is), but my point from the beggining is not against upper-class existing. but against the freedom for anyone to become one (equal oportunity). which basically is handing over your country to foreign investors/nations. politics may still appear to be the same, but economic decisions by very rich people will benefit other countries, not their own.

the problem with having a socialist on chat is that debate level can't go very high...

@Deleted User exactly my point!!!

well, a lot of economic decisions by upper class need no permission from politics... but I fear we aren't even debating the same thing. it seems we don't exactly disagree, we just are trying to prove different things, lol.

anyway, what is your point exactly @God’s Morals ? what system do you defend?

you mean a nationalist?

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so, I take it nobody here is an autocratic monarchy fan? a nobility classissist fan?

ok

absolute monarchy, or other form of 1 man-rule

law is bad (seriously). will of man is better. law is interpreted. which means it doesn't exist really.

Divine law exists and its absolute. man law doesn't exist. it is a fantasy. that is why the rule of man is not only better, but the only thing that actually exist. even in a "law" country

its sad that even the "white hats" are in favor of the rule of law (aka constitution and checks and balances)

well, without religion you can't really have a good country. so trying to form a country with the agreement of those people seems like either a waste of time, or a failure

@Deleted User exactly!

nah, it seems people have bad leaders, so they conclude they shouldn't have leaders anymore...

its like bitcoins folks. because our centralized system is a fraud, they conclude that every centralized system is bad, which is idiotic.

its like: you have a bad nurse. conclusion: we should no longer have nurses.

the whole big government vs small government is a waste of time. (whatever those terms means). the real discussion should be: "we should determine or own elites" vs "no, we should allow china to buy the loyalty of every rich man in USA"

the problem is not that it is monopolized. but that USA hasn't determined its own elites

therefore, CHINA did.

if you don't create your own upper-class CHINA (or another) will. there is no escape from this reality!

and they will pretend to be USA upper-class, off-course