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Good, just finished reading Ride the Tiger by Julius Evola

How are you? @koolguy18000

Yeah, if you’re interested in esoteric fascism, give it a read

Same, and I could say the same about books critiquing capitalism

Sure, but it still is utter trash

Much, much better alternatives exist

Capitalism is antithetical to honest social conservatism

Any traditional social order is a limit to the process of commodification, to profit, and to the capitalistic growth imperative, so it is obvious that any sort of traditions would be culturally constructed as barriers in an expression of capitalism in its late stages. The relegation of our fundamental values to the private world results in the death of the meaning which they hold.

It has led to the perversion of Conservatism into an impotent ideology that is basically the preservation of the “traditional” form of liberal values and individualism.

Even communism hasn’t destroyed conservatism as much as capitalism has, and that’s saying something

Capitalism does not at all value independence; whatever market self-sufficiency that values subsidiarity and can persist on a local level among communities has long been replaced in most of the West. This is because capitalism is founded on the notion of endless growth.

Some free markets can exist outside of the realm of liberalism and capitalism... However, many things simply can’t be left to the “invisible hand” if you want them to function properly.

For instance, socially conservative values

Why is that a bad thing?

You don’t have to start with Evola btw

There are plenty of other places a beginner could, and frankly should start at

I agree, but that’s not the case for everything, particularly social conservatism.

Are you a social conservative? @Free2Think

I haven’t advocated socialism, you are straw manning

Completely free markets, as in, you don’t believe in any government intervention?

Free markets ultimately lead to the formation of a hierarchy based on economic achievement, a “meritocracy” as you may call it. This does not guarantee that people with socially conservative morals are in charge of society, which is why a totally free market is an untenable form of social organization.

What “wins out” in the free market, if it isn’t controlled sufficiently, is what has ideological hegemony, what controls the opinion-making sectors of society.

Besides, the commodification of culture and the distraction of the populace through the propagation of materialistic attitudes is a problem for holistic social worldviews like conservatism. Capitalism seeks to homogenize the world into consumer units where you purchase your identity and everything becomes commodified. Only notions of higher meaning that cannot be satisfied by an economy of desire and fake, individualistic needs are deemed to be these barriers.

@koolguy18000 my guy I’m not advocating socialism

The liberal notion of democratic freedom, coupled with industrialization, prevails to such an extent that we end up identifying with the ideology of the State, which is predicated upon the concepts of consumerism, homogeneity, and the destruction of transcendent value. Understand that we’re living under a tyranny unlike socialism, but rather one where the lines between the private and public sector are being blurred and corporations control the culture.

@koolguy18000 how is that relevant

Bruh are you listening to what I’m even saying

Is that so? Then why won’t you provide some counter arguments to dismantle my “lies”?

Or are you to unprepared to engage in discourse about the future of conservatism because you just want to distract yourself with whatever Charlie Kirk tells you to.

I am not a democrat, I am not a socialist, I am not a progressive, I am not a liberal. I am a social conservative, nothing else.

When have you ever heard a democrat say the things I have said? Democrats are even more conditioned into the system than mainstream republicans

I agree that they are, but there’s no reason as to why you should expect that that will happen if you fight alongside movements like TP USA

Since the election fraud, how many events has TP USA had?

Other than the one that Charlie Kirk drove to 15 minutes away from his house

Are they standing up for Trump? For conservative values?

But they won’t, they only are doing what they must to gain more donors and votes for the GOP establishment.

But the establishment republicans won’t do that

They are literally coming out and showing their true colors

That doesn’t make me hopeful, it saddens me that some apologist for homosexuals and person who condemns any legitimate conservatism like Kirk is going to be responsible for conditioning the future of conservatism

China is bad, but the great majority of our problems that have arisen internally in our country: feminism, consumerism, anti-traditionalism, anti-Christianity, secularism, sex-positivism, rampant individualism, etc.

And socialism has emerged from the consequences of those internal threats, which conservatives failed to attack after WWII

But don’t you understand that you won’t accomplish this if you continue to let the establishment republicans run the show? Trump is anti-establishment, but he’ll only get us so far as far as social issues go assuming that he gets into power (which is, unfortunately, very unlikely)

At least support the America First movement created by Nick Fuentes, it’s the last hope for the USA

That’s a good mindset

Look up Nick Fuentes and Keith Woods on YouTube

And if you get there, read some good books

I recommend How to be a Conservative by Roger Scruton

Yes we are

Also check out Morgoth’s Review and Blackpilled on YouTube

Always glad to help

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What are y’all’s thoughts on Israel?

I urge when you get the chance to pass the Stop Internet Sexual Exploitation act. This is simultaneously a matter of public safety to protect children from exploitation and to protect the nation’s crumbling moral fiber. This Bill is a must pass and I urge you to do so. @here

This is a standard message you can email to your congressman/senator

Here’s, for instance, a senator thats easy to contact https://www.tillis.senate.gov/services/forms/30B84400-E0C8-4C4E-83B7-25C4BBF1E84C/email-me

It’s 100% worth it

Not the purpose of the bill lol

It mainly would just regulate much of it out of existence

Sure, it certainly won’t get rid of it entirely. However, if we try hard enough, we could still make a huge difference

I mean, taking down whatever amount of non-cp would be worth getting rid of a large amount of exploitative content. Besides, most of the regulations imposed wouldn’t be a 70 year old man being hired to detect this stuff. Most of it would be regulations and guidelines targeting content creation imposed by the websites themselves, not on already produced content.

Lol that screams strawman, nobody said that that’s what will happen

Lol ok

I don’t give a damn how those degenerates react, I give a damn about a difference being made

I’m not sure what you’re specifically referring to as far as statistics go... yes, there has been a decrease in rapes over the years as access to pornography increased. However, the question of whether porn access can have positive or negative influences on the desire for one to sexually assault someone depends on many different factors that change for every individual (correlation =/= causation). I also must say that correlation between the two is very low if not non existent, and studies that were published on the matter could only arrive at conclusions through great generalizations. The decrease in rape could very much be happening less frequently primarily because women feel safer/confident speaking out. A compelling case could made for the contrary, that pornography can pervert the perception of women that men can have and be more prone to objectifying and sexually assaulting them.

I mean, I personally have thought about this for quite some time, which lead me to arrive at my current position. But if you are referring to another dilemma that banning porn could cause, please specify which one.

If we’re still on the first topic, then certainly, assuming that access to pornography were to be significantly decreased and rape rose, other measures could be taken to decrease this.

Putting women in the position to speak out about their experiences has been proven to make a difference

Alright, I have to go anyway

Good convo

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