How are you? @koolguy18000

Great @Virulence making pasta for a late lunch, sounds like a good book

Yeah, if you’re interested in esoteric fascism, give it a read

Okay, @Virulence I like to read books bashing the left and calling them out for their communist/ socialist ways

Same, and I could say the same about books critiquing capitalism

Okay, capitalism isn't perfect but it is 1 million times better than communism / socialism/ Marxism that the democrats are "attempting" to do and they got caught

Sure, but it still is utter trash

Much, much better alternatives exist

Capitalism is antithetical to honest social conservatism

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Any traditional social order is a limit to the process of commodification, to profit, and to the capitalistic growth imperative, so it is obvious that any sort of traditions would be culturally constructed as barriers in an expression of capitalism in its late stages. The relegation of our fundamental values to the private world results in the death of the meaning which they hold.

It has led to the perversion of Conservatism into an impotent ideology that is basically the preservation of the “traditional” form of liberal values and individualism.

Even communism hasn’t destroyed conservatism as much as capitalism has, and that’s saying something

But free market capitalism allows independence and socialism is destroying countries economies and that is actively what the democrats are trying to do now

@Virulence

Capitalism does not at all value independence; whatever market self-sufficiency that values subsidiarity and can persist on a local level among communities has long been replaced in most of the West. This is because capitalism is founded on the notion of endless growth.

Some free markets can exist outside of the realm of liberalism and capitalism... However, many things simply can’t be left to the “invisible hand” if you want them to function properly.

For instance, socially conservative values

Interesting, i am not going to read the book because it looks like it is very facist

Why is that a bad thing?

You don’t have to start with Evola btw

There are plenty of other places a beginner could, and frankly should start at

Actually in a free market it is best to leave it to the “invisible “ hand. History has taught us the more the government tries to influence/control the market, the more unpredictable the market becomes. Government interference nearly always ends poorly

I agree, but that’s not the case for everything, particularly social conservatism.

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Are you a social conservative? @Free2Think

And history has also taught us socialism doesn’t work the way it’s “sold” to work...ever. The only class eliminated is the middle class. You wind up with a super elite ruling class and a very poor class that can barely survive. Private ownership is eliminated, on both an individual and corporate level.

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I haven’t advocated socialism, you are straw manning

I’m a conservative that beloved in completely free and open markets. One who has witnessed the real world destruction both socialism and communism have reeked on this world for over a century.

Completely free markets, as in, you don’t believe in any government intervention?

And I have to agree with koolguy, free markets definitely allows and indeed promote independence. Government involvement should begin and end at ensuring free trade balances and safe working and environmental conditions...to an extent. The more regulation, the less growth. Less growth, less jobs.

Free markets ultimately lead to the formation of a hierarchy based on economic achievement, a “meritocracy” as you may call it. This does not guarantee that people with socially conservative morals are in charge of society, which is why a totally free market is an untenable form of social organization.

Working for achievement is essential, working for "Handouts" is not America it is other countries

What “wins out” in the free market, if it isn’t controlled sufficiently, is what has ideological hegemony, what controls the opinion-making sectors of society.

@Virulence There is no society at all when socialism dictates what citizens can and cannot do and that is anti-American

Besides, the commodification of culture and the distraction of the populace through the propagation of materialistic attitudes is a problem for holistic social worldviews like conservatism. Capitalism seeks to homogenize the world into consumer units where you purchase your identity and everything becomes commodified. Only notions of higher meaning that cannot be satisfied by an economy of desire and fake, individualistic needs are deemed to be these barriers.

@koolguy18000 my guy I’m not advocating socialism

Okay, President Trump is a nationalist and that is why the democrats are ao jealous of him @Virulence

The liberal notion of democratic freedom, coupled with industrialization, prevails to such an extent that we end up identifying with the ideology of the State, which is predicated upon the concepts of consumerism, homogeneity, and the destruction of transcendent value. Understand that we’re living under a tyranny unlike socialism, but rather one where the lines between the private and public sector are being blurred and corporations control the culture.

@koolguy18000 how is that relevant